Wira absorber

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my satria now use 4k front and 3k rear.....if i can adjust the damping that would be my perfect setup.... (too bad my hwl only hi-lo type)

 

[vr2turbo]

Rally Satria or Road Satria.....lol

 

[STR]

If really cannot increase don't go overboard with it. Either delay and get a better set or once buy must live with it, because upgrading will cost you more.....haha

Sure...

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STR dude, as a ex-driver of Wira Aeroback SE, and as a user of multiple different suspension setups, I can tell you one thing is you won't want an overly stiff suspension. I've tried :

1. 8k front 6k rear Hi/lo adjustable suspension. Corner like you're on rails but like what vr2turbo said, only good on track. On normal roads if there's any uneven surface in the corner the car will skip and under or over steer. Very scary. Also, driving slow will be very interesting if you have a female friend with big boobs.

2. 6k front 4k rear hi/lo adjustable suspension is neither here nor there. It's stiff with some minor body roll but it's not comfortable or good enough for hard cornering. Don't recommend this.

3. hi/lo/soft/hard suspension - 8k front 4k rear. Perfect combination if you set the dampers right. Last time I had the BC Racing 30 click soft/hard suspension and it was set to 12 clicks front and 10 clicks rear for comfort setting and 28 clicks front and 22 clicks rear for track use. Very very good setup. Most expensive 'budget' setup.

The last suggestion I have for you is probably (imho) the best. Get decent absorbers like the Monroe Reflex or just stick with stock Kayaba absorbers. Change to new Wira SE springs (make sure the absorbers are Wira SE absorbers too, they are not the same as 1.6 or 1.8 absorbers and 1.5 uses a small spring seat, so doesn't fit the Wira SE springs). The Wira SE front springs are very thick and slightly lowered height springs similar to the Wira 1.6/1.8 ones, except it's harder. The rear springs are the same as all other Wiras. Then invest in a GSR 22mm front anti roll bar then get the UltraRacing 19mm rear antiroll bar with Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms. Don't weld supporting bars to your 1.5 arms cuz they'll snap.

The stock absorbers + Wira SE springs should be about RM800 thereabouts.
The GSR 22mm front ARB should be about RM250 halfcut
The UR 19mm rear ARB should be about RM400+

If you still have budget, use Superpro bushing throughout the entire car or at least change the arm bushes, ARB bushes and steering bush to PU.

With this setup you'll have comfort and still be able to corner like a god. To properly corner without sacrifice on comfort, you'll bound to have some bodyroll but slight bodyroll is a good thing, it gives you more feel and lets you know when the tyres are about to give up and at the same time put less stress on the tyres. Too stiff suspension will rely very heavily on good grippy tyres.

Lastly if your budget is sky high, Koni FSB + Eibach Prokit springs. The combination is seriously the best of both worlds. Koni has this twin chamber thing and uses only one chamber during normal driving. But once it's under stress (like heavy load during cornering) the 2nd chamber opens up stiffening the absorber. Meaning it's only hard when you need it to be. Eibach Prokit will lower your car nicely and still be relatively comfortable.

Or if you are insane and want to spend shit loads of money (more than the cost of your car) then research the Bose suspension. Flat cornering and comfort all using very high tech gizmo wizardry.

I was so confused on which absorber to get cause i was trying to find the proper suspension setup for my budget. Different people had different opinions and i couldnt choose the one i feel ok with. Now im all clear with whatever u mentioned. u nailed it bro. I will get the monroe reflex, and the wira se springs. Is there any model of monroe reflex that i should know? Y should i get the Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms? cause i have to weld the rear ARB to wira 1.5 arm since it doesnt have the bracket as wira 1.6/1.8?Im asking this cause my car came with rear arb. N will it cost alot to change to PU bushes?N my budget is not sky high, haha..but i learned alot..

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Told him the danger of poisoning......hahhahhahahahah

The poison feels good...but it will make me worry about my bank balance...

 

[Izso]

I was so confused on which absorber to get cause i was trying to find the proper suspension setup for my budget. Different people had different opinions and i couldnt choose the one i feel ok with. Now im all clear with whatever u mentioned. u nailed it bro. I will get the monroe reflex, and the wira se springs. Is there any model of monroe reflex that i should know? Y should i get the Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms? cause i have to weld the rear ARB to wira 1.5 arm since it doesnt have the bracket as wira 1.6/1.8?Im asking this cause my car came with rear arb. N will it cost alot to change to PU bushes?N my budget is not sky high, haha..but i learned alot..

Monroe is the brand, reflex is the model.

The Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms have brackets but if yours already has - then good! Save some money! PU bushes aren't too expensive.

 

[vr2turbo]

Monroe is the brand, reflex is the model.

The Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms have brackets but if yours already has - then good! Save some money! PU bushes aren't too expensive.

How were they Monroe when you used them? Many years ago I also use them too, after 3 months they went soft so I went to Monroe service outlet to make a claim. They check and say no leak and no jam so cannot claim. I was like WTF they have gone soft and warranty was 6 months or a certain mileage. In the end I gave up on them. I then went to chop shop to get replacement and i used them (chop shop ones) until I sold my car........hhahahhahah

 

[Izso]

How were they Monroe when you used them? Many years ago I also use them too, after 3 months they went soft so I went to Monroe service outlet to make a claim. They check and say no leak and no jam so cannot claim. I was like WTF they have gone soft and warranty was 6 months or a certain mileage. In the end I gave up on them. I then went to chop shop to get replacement and i used them (chop shop ones) until I sold my car........hhahahhahah

That bad? My Monroe Reflex experience was that it was just slightly stiffer than stock abs and that's it. It lasted until I changed to coilovers.

 

[vr2turbo]

Probably mine was bad batch......

 

[STR]

Monroe is the brand, reflex is the model.

The Wira 1.6/1.8 rear lower arms have brackets but if yours already has - then good! Save some money! PU bushes aren't too expensive.

Gonna go get the monroe's soon... n what else shall i replace with the absobers??just the mounting only right? :wavey: Will update the thread once i got them...

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

Rally Satria or Road Satria.....lol

road version....

rally version is on DMS 50mm or ohlins (from evo)

 

[ken yeang]

Monroe absorbers are replacement. Not exactly a peformance absorber.
Monroe fair ooooonly slight better than standard absorber.

From my experience, their absorbers is so so.

 

[STR]

What will be your recommendation? Increase the budget to get a performance oriented abs?:wavey:

 

[vr2turbo]

Performance ones are those coil overs type.......

 

[STR]

Performance ones are those coil overs type.......

Yeah bro, i know that..i was asking so cause 'ken yeang' mentioned that Monroe absorbers are not exactly a performance absorber and are just as a replacement. Since he mentioned that, i just wanted to know his point of view on getting a performance kind of absorbers. But i feel that my budget isnt enough on getting the coilovers, and better use the replacement abs with some thicker ARB's. Btw, thank you very much.

 

[vr2turbo]

I think the reflex are slightly more performance as Monroe also have OE replacement shocks

 

[Izso]

Let's put it this way : Monroe's aren't performance absorbers. But they are slightly better than the local Kayaba originals and last longer. So comfort isn't overly affected.

Performance absorbers would already be out of your budget, such as Koni, Bilstein, Eibach, etc. Forget about APM Performax, too short stroke and paired with the APM Performax springs it'll be way too low. Until every speedbump will make you slow down like a tortoise mating with a snail.

Performance coilovers best to save up for high/low/soft/hard. Just High/low is a big compromise since you're a cornering kaki. Also h/L has too little adjustments and you'll end up depending heavily on the tyres and adapting to the suspension (instead of the suspension complementing your skill).

Besides, for Wiras that old, too stiff will make everything rattle inside the cabin really badly. It'll take forever to find all the sources of the rattles and squeaks.

 

[vr2turbo]

Ask bro. Issuzark for test drive.....lol

 

[KenDiriwan]

There is a possibility you saved up all hard earned money, gotten what you want and install once go for a run. It feel sucks, within months dismantle for sell and start hunting for a different set.

For i always do not recommend through brand based, seek what is the type of suspension feedback you want from riding through others car. Thus decide based on that criteria.

 

[ken yeang]

TS, do ask around for more opinion. Take your time, while at it, save enuf money. Then splurge ALL your hard-earn money to a set of absorber/spring that really satisfying. Not cheapo/low quality setup that often regretful.

 

[STR]

Let's put it this way : Monroe's aren't performance absorbers. But they are slightly better than the local Kayaba originals and last longer. So comfort isn't overly affected.

Performance absorbers would already be out of your budget, such as Koni, Bilstein, Eibach, etc. Forget about APM Performax, too short stroke and paired with the APM Performax springs it'll be way too low. Until every speedbump will make you slow down like a tortoise mating with a snail.

Performance coilovers best to save up for high/low/soft/hard. Just High/low is a big compromise since you're a cornering kaki. Also h/L has too little adjustments and you'll end up depending heavily on the tyres and adapting to the suspension (instead of the suspension complementing your skill).

Besides, for Wiras that old, too stiff will make everything rattle inside the cabin really badly. It'll take forever to find all the sources of the rattles and squeaks.

How much roughly would a performance coilovers which is high/low/soft/hard would cost? n maybe the absorber model?cause i might survey about it..guess the entry level of h/l/s/h coilovers would do..n i will try to save more money..n im starting to get confused again now.. :

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TS, do ask around for more opinion. Take your time, while at it, save enuf money. Then splurge ALL your hard-earn money to a set of absorber/spring that really satisfying. Not cheapo/low quality setup that often regretful.

Sure bro..worth to save more money and getting something which is satisfying...

---------- Post added at 11:06 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 10:29 PM ----------

There is a possibility you saved up all hard earned money, gotten what you want and install once go for a run. It feel sucks, within months dismantle for sell and start hunting for a different set.

For i always do not recommend through brand based, seek what is the type of suspension feedback you want from riding through others car. Thus decide based on that criteria.

The prob is none of my friend or family members use different type of suspension..They just stay with the stock abs that arrived with the car..i never seen them changing it before..

 

[vr2turbo]

The prob is none of my friend or family members use different type of suspension..They just stay with the stock abs that arrived with the car..i never seen them changing it before..

Normal every day drive sure use back Original specs loh, only those modding their car, go touge, take fast corner only will upgrade.....