your foreman also did tell u 100% actual price b4 u make the transplant? even a single cents also
i dun think will make it wats like ppl says u din't open the durian u dunno inside was good or bad
then ur b series no need pay for the jpj approval ? the cost same as u d-b/k series same as long u not weld the engine mounting not like ulu ulu place or under pokok foreman......hope bro shiro will not do this for his b conversion lar...
how $$$$$ for d15/16 covert b16/18/20= k20 for the approval
maybe some 1 will save this kind of money This i dunno lar... since some 1 from last year started b20b plan until todays still b16a maybe this talk cxxk kind of ppl will save this money
this was some awesome project if some 1 at m'sia can do it
K-Series in a EK
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Loo, funny you mentioned under pokok foreman that converted my engine that happens to own a CO2 gas analyser (I asked him why, since there's no smog test here and he said he got it from a foreign friend), OBD2 CANbus scanner, etc. etc.
or course, working under the pokok is much cooler lah, than working in the hot sun. Naturally he does work under the pokok, like most mechanics would given the chance, esp. if the garage area is already full.
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Actually he quoted me completely, based on what kind of parts I wanted to change. My total conversion bill (to a B16A, lol) came to RM98XX (including halfcut), including new water pump, rubber seals, etc. That was a couple of years ago though. He quoted me 7.5K with halfcut. Well, that's the price I paid because I went "change to new ones" each time he said "this part still can use, but it's a bit worn."
Seriously, I liked the K series, and I've been planning on converting to K a few years after it came out, but after getting a
four figure quote for jpj approval for the K (of course not official channels), and even getting a reply that modified mounts for the K series needed to go through the technical dept needed lots of work, (though there are ways around that, it won't be cheap.) Finally went to B16A because since K was not allowed, might as well go moderate, and wait till it's possible to plonk in a K series or go for built engine.
the only big expense I see for a K series conversion right now is the wiring work, and the cost for jpj approval, not to mention the parts required to retain basic necesities like the EP3 idler pulley and bracket to retain power steering and A/C. if those become cheap, the K series will become a better choice for conversion than B series.
B-series conversion is pretty cheap in terms of jpj approval. I'm not to sure about current K series approval though. if you say it's below 1K, then definitely the K series is doable.
If you're comparing to a built NA engine, a turbo engine will always come cheaper. The only tradeoff, is as usual, the lag/throttle response. new design turbos help alleviate the wait time for turbo spooling, but there's still that small gap, and go big enough for big hp and big A/R, that's a formula for turbo lag. Of course, there's the anti-lag, but I doubt that's practical to use every time when meeting a traffic light. if chasing hp numbers, turbo is the way to go, but still bragging rights goes to big hp NA engines outputting more than most turbo units.
but based on a rough est, a B20B turbo with stock internals pushing 0.5 (8-9 CR, could be higher) bar using stock B16A head is still cheaper than a K20 turbo. That's pretty much the limit for B20b units I think, unless sleeved.
Another is management, if you strip it down without A/C and P/s, it'll be pretty cheap and easy, but as I understand it, K20 climate control is ECU based, so there's a need to retain the stock ECU?
Well, if you manage to do it on the cheap, I bet more people will be converting soon enough.
Well, I'm looking forward to K conversions to be doable as well. The 3500 K20 CRV unit seems pretty tempting, but when I start to think of the wiring and work involved, ouch!
I definitely agree that K series is the NEXT big thing, as to being cheaper.. well.. that's the part I'm not so sure of.