Discussion On Your Daily Ride

[vr2turbo]

Nowadays, conti tyres seemed to come with many stock cars. But they are not exactly cheap in terms of price either.

Yup, the MC5 model for mid range and CC5 for lower range....

 

[gunnerzz]

Oh, you have the rare Waja variant. DOHC right? Power should be much improved over the 4G18.

True, at least you don't have to rush or hurry with your DIY.

Peak hp is low for 1.8 engine at 118hp.Even Campro CPS pumps out 125hp.
It win hands down in power delivery,fuel consumption,gb shifting, engine refinement.
Oh wait...it "wins" on maintenance cost too..heheh.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Well I actually prefer sidewall height no less than 10cm but for the Mark X I also bought the tires used together with the rims so cannot be too choosy as well! Ideally I would like 235/45 & 265/40/18 but those sizes are not as common especially 265/40/18 so that will be damn expensive too, and not sure if can still clear or will rub the rear fenders already. So second choice would be 225/45 & 255/40/18. We'll see later when comes time to change again (and that's also assuming I still own the car too).

Continental tires are good, at least based on my previous experience on CSC series but not their low end (well IMHO all low end models are hopeless anyway no matter what brands!).

So now you are using 10mm narrower than your ideal width. Just a small difference. But from the sound of it, your wheels seems like newly bought?

The high end continentals are imported from Germany itself isn't it? As for the low end ones, I've read a lot of bad reviews in zth regarding them.

Yup, the MC5 model for mid range and CC5 for lower range....

Most continental tyres we can see here are low end ones. Hardly seeing anyone using high end variants.

Peak hp is low for 1.8 engine at 118hp.Even Campro CPS pumps out 125hp.
It win hands down in power delivery,fuel consumption,gb shifting, engine refinement.
Oh wait...it "wins" on maintenance cost too..heheh.

What gearbox is yours using? Also from Renault?

 

[vr2turbo]

Peak hp is low for 1.8 engine at 118hp.Even Campro CPS pumps out 125hp.
It win hands down in power delivery,fuel consumption,gb shifting, engine refinement.
Oh wait...it "wins" on maintenance cost too..heheh.

Is the Renault engine low on maintenance? Heard there are a lot of complains on it. In fact at that time was suppose to get the 1.8 Waja, but when the talk failed Mitsu and they took the Renault engine, I pass. One of my friend who did get one, mentioned his always in Service Center....:hmmmm:

 

[vr2turbo]

Most continental tyres we can see here are low end ones. Hardly seeing anyone using high end variants.

OEM for car company the tyres sure will not be premium unless the car is also. I only know PUG 308T and VW have the CSC range but had plenty of complains of bulging. My friends who had them all change to other brands of tyres when the tyres bulge and one even burst.....lol

 

[6UE5t]

So now you are using 10mm narrower than your ideal width. Just a small difference. But from the sound of it, your wheels seems like newly bought?

The high end continentals are imported from Germany itself isn't it? As for the low end ones, I've read a lot of bad reviews in zth regarding them.



Most continental tyres we can see here are low end ones. Hardly seeing anyone using high end variants.
...

No, not like that. My 245 is actually already 2 cm wider than the std tires for this car for the Sports Package version which comes stock with 225/45/18 all round on 18x8 rims. As for my stock ones, they're even smaller 215/60/16 with 16x7 rims only! Newer GRX130 Sports Package comes with slight larger 235/45/18 which is still 1cm narrower than mine now. So mine at 245 is already considered a bit overspec, which is good already, but of course if can go wider then better lor!

No I bought my rims used, cannot afford brand new Volk Racing forged rims leh, they cost the bomb!

High end Continentals can be made in any European countries, not necessarily Germany.

OEM for car company the tyres sure will not be premium unless the car is also. I only know PUG 308T and VW have the CSC range but had plenty of complains of bulging. My friends who had them all change to other brands of tyres when the tyres bulge and one even burst.....lol

Some Mercs E & C classes also come stock with CSC tires.

 

[gunnerzz]

What gearbox is yours using? Also from Renault?

Is the Renault engine low on maintenance? Heard there are a lot of complains on it. In fact at that time was suppose to get the 1.8 Waja, but when the talk failed Mitsu and they took the Renault engine, I pass. One of my friend who did get one, mentioned his always in Service Center....:hmmmm:

I think the gearbox is inhouse by peugot/renault/citreon.
Its called AL4 or DPO gearbox.
Normal 3 speed + OD.What i likes abt the gb is the shift is very quick.Even quicker than the newer Invecs in my BLM.Power delivery felt direct like a manual car. Kickdown and upshift is done quickly and adapting to your right foot input.

On the maintenance..i said "win" instead of win...there is a different there..hehhe.
Parts are generally higher in cost but it does not come with problem every now and then.Jus during the early period of ownership it misbehave under warranty. Now after 14years and 200k km its all wear and tear. What i learn over the years is that engine problem mainly comes from the crank sensor, gb problem comes from poor connection of the tcu. Even if u have a gb solenoid failure it will set u back less than rm300 of u know where to go and source for part.

I encounter multiple gb problem but all solve by just simple tuning or cleaning of the tcu connector.The gb is very tough really.Just dont forget to change the atf. The trick is to drive it on regular basis.One Proton tech shared with me that dont panic when the gb warnig light is on but the gb still shift although not as smooth.Thats show the gb is ok and not kaput like most mech will said.

To share some info,just now i have a meeting with an electronic reliability engineer whom handle reliability test on electronic chip.He mention with modern car,u have to drive it regularly to preserve the electronics. His explanation is like saying the chips are design to work that way.

 

[vr2turbo]

On the maintenance..i said "win" instead of win...there is a different there..hehhe.

Ok, ok, got it......lol

 

[sweelt]

Bro 6UE5t, ur used volks rims also cost half bomb... lol

 

[6UE5t]

Bro 6UE5t, ur used volks rims also cost half bomb... lol

Hahaha, ok la, not that expensive and still affordable actually coz already got some scratches, plus got nice GY German made tires that came with it, so I close eye and went ahead with the deal. Your Type-C is also the same la!

 

[vr2turbo]

Bro 6UE5t, ur used volks rims also cost half bomb... lol

Yalor, all rich use Rolex ones......

 

[6UE5t]

Yalor, all rich use Rolex ones......

Mana ada rich la, real rich people will never buy old used rims like mine leh! They'd buy the latest new big size Rays/HRE/Vossen for their supercars/luxury cruisers!

 

[RENESIS VIII]

OEM for car company the tyres sure will not be premium unless the car is also. I only know PUG 308T and VW have the CSC range but had plenty of complains of bulging. My friends who had them all change to other brands of tyres when the tyres bulge and one even burst.....lol

Sounds unacceptable at all for such a famous brand if their products are so unreliable.

No, not like that. My 245 is actually already 2 cm wider than the std tires for this car for the Sports Package version which comes stock with 225/45/18 all round on 18x8 rims. As for my stock ones, they're even smaller 215/60/16 with 16x7 rims only! Newer GRX130 Sports Package comes with slight larger 235/45/18 which is still 1cm narrower than mine now. So mine at 245 is already considered a bit overspec, which is good already, but of course if can go wider then better lor!

No I bought my rims used, cannot afford brand new Volk Racing forged rims leh, they cost the bomb!

High end Continentals can be made in any European countries, not necessarily Germany.



Some Mercs E & C classes also come stock with CSC tires.

My meaning of ideal width is your own personal ideal width that you want for the wheels, not factory size, hahahaha. Seems like you really want to go much more wider than the original factory size. Won't that cause your car to feel heavier and cause slight power loss? In Wira's case, I heard people using 16 inch wheels with 205 width tyres (30mm wider than stock 175) are already robbing off some power.

I think the gearbox is inhouse by peugot/renault/citreon.
Its called AL4 or DPO gearbox.
Normal 3 speed + OD.What i likes abt the gb is the shift is very quick.Even quicker than the newer Invecs in my BLM.Power delivery felt direct like a manual car. Kickdown and upshift is done quickly and adapting to your right foot input.

Gearbox also uncommon over here.

INVECS gearbox in BLM? Isn't INVECS gearbox from Mitsubishi?

 

[6UE5t]

...
My meaning of ideal width is your own personal ideal width that you want for the wheels, not factory size, hahahaha. Seems like you really want to go much more wider than the original factory size. Won't that cause your car to feel heavier and cause slight power loss? In Wira's case, I heard people using 16 inch wheels with 205 width tyres (30mm wider than stock 175) are already robbing off some power.
...

Oh you mean ideal like that. Well if want ideal meaning just nice width, enough for the power and handling, yet not too wide and best comfort for this car, it will be 235/45/18 on 18x8jj or 18x8.5jj rims. However that size will be a bit stretched for my rear rims at 9jj, so need wider at minimum 245. I'd mentioned ideally 265/40/18 coz it's the tallest sidewall at about 10.7cm so the most comfortable/similar to 235/45. Being too wide, yes it will drag the car a bit but having so much grip for handling is just so fun and enjoyable, at least for me! Even with my 245 now I can take corners much faster than when using the stock sizes, imagine if with 265! Power is good but handling is more important and can bring an equally big smile too! Bro S.Marz with 275 rear on his BMW 5 series should be able to vouch for this.

 

[gunnerzz]

Gearbox also uncommon over here.

INVECS gearbox in BLM? Isn't INVECS gearbox from Mitsubishi?

Yes INVECS is on BLM and most probably from Mitsu.The gb on BLM is not mistaken 2nd gen INVECS or called INVECS II which claim smoother drive , adaptive thing. Its newer compared to DPO but doesnt comes close on overall performance.

If the cps engine is mated to dpo gearbox then the waja cps will be a great car.

 

[ixeo]

Mana ada rich la, real rich people will never buy old used rims like mine leh! They'd buy the latest new big size Rays/HRE/Vossen for their supercars/luxury cruisers!

Then use linglong tyres? I don’t judge a man by his rims, I judge him by his tyres. A guy using advanti rims costing 1k, then use AD08R tyres, that’s a rich man. Rims don’t have to always change but tyres have to. And when the rubbers costs more than the alloy wheels. Yup, rich AND smart man.

 

[lsm1991]

Sounds unacceptable at all for such a famous brand if their products are so unreliable.



My meaning of ideal width is your own personal ideal width that you want for the wheels, not factory size, hahahaha. Seems like you really want to go much more wider than the original factory size. Won't that cause your car to feel heavier and cause slight power loss? In Wira's case, I heard people using 16 inch wheels with 205 width tyres (30mm wider than stock 175) are already robbing off some power.



Gearbox also uncommon over here.

INVECS gearbox in BLM? Isn't INVECS gearbox from Mitsubishi?

yep bought from mitsu, same like the persona's conventional box but a few features less....

 

[6UE5t]

Then use linglong tyres? I don’t judge a man by his rims, I judge him by his tyres. A guy using advanti rims costing 1k, then use AD08R tyres, that’s a rich man. Rims don’t have to always change but tyres have to. And when the rubbers costs more than the alloy wheels. Yup, rich AND smart man.

Agree, so in fact VR2 is the rich man here! Using very old rims but paired with German made F1A3!

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Oh you mean ideal like that. Well if want ideal meaning just nice width, enough for the power and handling, yet not too wide and best comfort for this car, it will be 235/45/18 on 18x8jj or 18x8.5jj rims. However that size will be a bit stretched for my rear rims at 9jj, so need wider at minimum 245. I'd mentioned ideally 265/40/18 coz it's the tallest sidewall at about 10.7cm so the most comfortable/similar to 235/45. Being too wide, yes it will drag the car a bit but having so much grip for handling is just so fun and enjoyable, at least for me! Even with my 245 now I can take corners much faster than when using the stock sizes, imagine if with 265! Power is good but handling is more important and can bring an equally big smile too! Bro S.Marz with 275 rear on his BMW 5 series should be able to vouch for this.

If you are able to fork out the money for those wide sizes and ok with the slight power reduction, then it is a good choice for you as you sound like you really enjoy going through corners in high speed.

S.Marz tyres? I've met him few days ago and indeed his tyres are really wide but his car had a high power engine. With that kind of power, the wide tyres won't drag his car much. I think his tyres and wheels are really nice.

Yes INVECS is on BLM and most probably from Mitsu.The gb on BLM is not mistaken 2nd gen INVECS or called INVECS II which claim smoother drive , adaptive thing. Its newer compared to DPO but doesnt comes close on overall performance.

If the cps engine is mated to dpo gearbox then the waja cps will be a great car.

yep bought from mitsu, same like the persona's conventional box but a few features less....

Thank you to both Gunnerzz and lsm1991 for the clarification. Now I learned something new about those 4 AT gearbox in Proton campro engines.

 

[6UE5t]

If you are able to fork out the money for those wide sizes and ok with the slight power reduction, then it is a good choice for you as you sound like you really enjoy going through corners in high speed.

S.Marz tyres? I've met him few days ago and indeed his tyres are really wide but his car had a high power engine. With that kind of power, the wide tyres won't drag his car much. I think his tyres and wheels are really nice. ...

Note that even though my current rear size is 245/40/18 on 18x9jj rims, the total weight of the package is still LOWER than the original 215/60/16 on 16x7jj rims by about 1kg or maybe more! (coz the bloody stock rims are just damn heavy!) SO, I don't think I actually loose power to the wheels as the lighter weight compensates for the wider drag from the tires, which I'm fully happy with as the handling improvement is night and day!

His car is a 530i if not mistaken so yeah surely got more power than mine!