best shops for ICE..

[calvinhpk]

kyheng, i understand on your bad experience..... but I think not all shops are like that........ sometimes depends also

 

[devil]

I totally disagree on the cabling price.
As far as my personal experience, the price quoted are inclusive of installation..

Try to take out all the chair, nuts and pull the cable yourself .... then the price = what u bought rm1/f..
No no .. their tuning cost is excluding the cabling installation.
If you talk nicely with them, usually, they will give u discount at the end of total cabling length ..

 

[kyheng]

The mouth is yours, as long as you are happy, I got no say. Yeah, I agree to you, not all shops is like this, but most of them is.
Does drill hole + install not clear to you? They said the cable is come from US, OFC wire, that's why cannot get discount anymore. Tuning cost not include yet, as I don't to want it to tuned by them, that cost me another rm50. By adjusting the amps and HU's gain, treble and bass only cost that amount, ver value for money work. The price of wire I got is rm1 per m, not f. So the diff is very big when buy more.
Anyway that was my first time when step in to high end shop and get the best throat cutting offer I ever have. I was lucky at that time I only have budget of rm500, if not I'm the another lucky guy that get throat cut.

 

[tkkhoo]

all businessman is the same.... depend on how deep they want to cut your throat only

 

[energie]

It's not cut throat, it's profit-making. Of course we would all want everything being sold to us according to what we can afford, but we know that won't work now would it. You whine, you cuss, you grumble about it what difference will it make? You want cheap, open your own shop they'll tell you. Could you do that? They cut door they ask for 50 bucks you grumble, since it's so simple, why don't you get your butt to the hardware shop & get a jigsaw & cut it yourself? Coz it ain't your job, you wouldn't like it if we were to tell you whatever you're doing is wrong & we could do it better when that's not the case now would it. You buy stuff over the net, how would you know the stuff is guaranteed? How would you know it wouldn't break in a week or two? Buy from US, sure why not, add the shipping cost, the tax & the warranty .. the WARRANTY. They'll give you 30 days period & by the time it gets to your hand it could probably be 2-3 weeks after the date they shipped it out. What if it breaks when you get it? That 30 days warranty period's not gonna stand anymore. This is completely silly, giving all these installers the stick. Think your's truly Sony Mini Hifi system can pump out awesome bass like JL Audio's Fathom system? No bloody way. There ain't such a thing as cheap + good things, no bloody way. People still go to clubs & pay 50 bucks for diluted beer, if that's cut throat then one should probably just get to the closest 7- Eleven and get a big bottle of Heini. It ain't the same now is it? So stop whining. I said this before, ICE is a hobby, a very expensive hobby if you want to get it right. THE GUY ASKED FOR THE BEST INSTALLER, so I suggest you tell the guy if you know & shut it if you don't.

 

[kyheng]

I'm not whinning or grumbling, what I want to stress here is to have more awareness on spending money on ICE and to survey more, nothing more and nothing less, reputated shop does not always will do the best job even we pay more. And another thing is you don't simply talk if you don't know, as drill hole and cut door is 2 different thing. If cut door panel if don't have any hole they charge rm50 is ok for me. The problem is now the hole is already there, they only need to drill hole for screw. Does rm50 to drill 4 holes for screws make sense? ICE is an expensive hooby, and this is the fact that nobody can deny. So by doing more survey and spend it wisely depend on our taste, it might be fun also. Another thing is the amp that I bought carries 1 year warranty with shipping not included. And the parcel now can be insured. The amp I already use for 7months and still no problem. You don't know anything about it and simply make assumptions. This statemnet is more suite you : Empty tins still makes the most noise. I don't know why you use the word vessel, as it is big and the sound won't be loud

 

[tkkhoo]

It's not cut throat, it's profit-making

then i should rephase my sentence

There ain't such a thing as cheap + good things, no bloody way. People still go to clubs & pay 50 bucks for diluted beer, if that's cut throat then one should probably just get to the closest 7- Eleven and get a big bottle of Heini.

:embaressed_smile: this is what i do when on tight budget

 

[ahboy]

Hahaha why wanna argue bros, come on, we r all here as a ice enthusiast mah.

hmmmm, bro kyheng, me not trying to flame anyone here but wanna give my point of view nia, those amp selling like more than 7k do u consider them expensive?? IF the amp is something that u can get less than 5k then it is consider very expensive BUT if market is selling the amp more than 10k than the amp is consider cheap, do u understand the terms cheap n expensive?? I hope u understand, u pay what u get.

I also agree that ALL of the installer will cut ur throat IF u r not familiar with ice or those no nothing fella, BUT once they know that u hav done ur home work, they will use different approach liao. I dunno whether anyone here agreed or not but i face the similar fate.

When i'm new they sure will sotong u (they r businessman mah) once they know u hav done ur homework (for eg - getting more knowledge from forums n other's sources) they will give u a very hard to resist bargain prices.

So there is no right or wrong in any one of u guys here, it is just that which type of installer nia.

Every installer hav their loyal customer n also ppl that r not too happy with them due to some reason or what.

like what nicholas said, learn how to tune urself n u dun hav to rely on installer to tune for u for a fees. U hav to tune to what u like n not installer tune n u follow what they like.

Enjoy ya, cool down bros.

 

[kyheng]

Anyway for me if a thing is more than rm1k, is consider expensive already. Maybe your are right on certain point, but expensive things is still expensive, this is something that cannot be change. Just think, how much is a general clerk salary per month? The terms cheap and expensive is too subjective, like you will say an amp cost rm5k is cheap and another place selling for rm7k is expensive. But if you put this questions to our old ones, what will they say? Dosen't matter rm5k or rm7k, still 1 thing they will say, expensive.

 

[munwai]

i think the words "expensive" and "cost alot of money" is slightly different, but this is we wanna really compare on words.

i think it depends on ppl's expectations. some ppl, they dun earn alot, maybe, average 2k a month. if they not really into ICE, then maybe an amp which cost about 1.5k then they consider it to be expensive. but if he really like ICE, and really want really good sound, even if the amp is lets say 5k, he will really save for it, or use easy-payment scheme, or wat not. that time, even if the amp is selling 7k, but he got a good offer is 5k, then he will say "its cheap!!" :)

myself, i am a newbie, and not at the level to buy 5k amp, recently i oso survey a few installers to get quote for installing some of my old equipment into my car. then there is one piece of "thing", which i need, and i find that different installer quote different price for it. one installer even dare to quote nearly double the price compared to another installer.

to me, i just smile and keep quiet, and go somewhere else. Maybe the installer wanna sotong me, but as a customer, if i feel that its not reasonable, then i can just go somewhere else, no one force me to buy from that installer. So, it is also up to the customer to do his homework and research, survey around first, and get the best value for ur money.

best value is not necessarily the cheapest price. it is about getting the most value out of ur money..it also is the quality of the workmanship, the time they take to do things, their experience, and teh stuff they use. some workmanship, is what ppl call as "professional fees", since this is a human service. you are paying for the person's time, overhead cost etc.

in those hair salon, they have different price for "junior cut", "senior cut", "vip cut" etc etc, some ppl cut hair few thousand oso got...hehe... oso is cut hair ma....siao hor?

 

[built]

dude, i said too much for the brands that he will get i.e. Rogers amp, magnate amp. If i'm going to spend 6k, i wont get those crappy brand.

in that light, you are right.

 

[built]

munwai,
installer wanna sotong you...?
i think it is because of your look and your soft spoken nature... ; )

 

[s15]

i rather go high end shop cut throat kaw kaw 1 time

better than go middle end shop cut throat few times

munwai
who sotong u?
we go parang them

 

[munwai]

haha, built, what is my look then? i oso din realise i am considered soft spoken!! kakaka

no ler, cannot really say sotong oso la, just quoted me a price which is considerably higher than others for the exact same item....so very simple lor, just smile, sed will think about it, and go survey other places oso la...simple onli ma, no fuss :)

 

[calvinhpk]

munwai....u went to "expensive" installers??

 

[energie]

I ain't assuming, like you said, I don't know how you go around your warranty & stuff. But look at you, you assume everyone's gonna get a " good " deal like you & you babbling non stop on how you think stuff should be done. Well I got news for you, not everyone agrees with you, quit your yappin'. Quit this general clerk talk coz you're not making any sense. You wanna preach about awareness then you should learn to at least agree on saving up & get the best install rather than getting a raw deal. According to you, reputable installer won't necessarily give you good install. You my friend, do not speak for everyone. I couldn't share your sentiment, I had mine done superbly. Why? Coz I can pay. I saved my dough for the best install & I got it. There is an old saying which goes : " the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten ". Anyway, I must let you know that I'm not gonna go on arguing with you about this again & for all the noise I'm making like you claim, everyone here pretty much could make out that I'm no pro installer ... but neither are you.
cheers

 

[built]

imo... d installer will ONLY gets as good as d customer.

therefore one must do it's homework, go prepared. not
only will d installer find difficult to sotong one but also
will give one a better attention in d installation.

munwai : you do have a "gee-na" look. how's your new
project getting along?

s15 : after d parang job, dun forget to "put up a flag".

cheers.

 

[kyheng]

Buy from US, sure why not, add the shipping cost, the tax & the warranty .. the WARRANTY. They'll give you 30 days period & by the time it gets to your hand it could probably be 2-3 weeks after the date they shipped it out. What if it breaks when you get it? That 30 days warranty period's not gonna stand anymore.

So if this is not called simply assuming then what is this called? And I never said that I have good deal, again you simply doing some assumption without know the actual. I think can call you energie the truth tilter. This name suit you. Yes, you can pay, but is this applied to everyone? No, if just drill few small screw holes will cost rm50 nobody will say is cheap accept you. Before you simply doing some assumption again I make it clear first, my door panel already have hole for speaker, as the original holes screw position run abit, that's why need to drill new holes for it. As I know you will try your very best to tilt truth. Not everyone will agree with me and I will accept it, not like you. Try to say some truth is myth. If you still want to make more noise, go ahead, but before this please make the tin's wall thinner, that will make more noise. Don't use vessel, as the wall is very tick and the sound will be very soft.
Actually do you know why you so pissed off with me? As I have touch some sensitive issue on your feeling. Some conclusions can be made based from the statements 'Coz I can pay' that you are a person that can spend without thinking such as reputable shops sure will give you high standard of installations even that's not always right. 'the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten' this can show that you have wasted money on something not worth that price and wanted to make ownself feel better. But when people touch on this topic, you will very fast get hot as you feel embarrassed and try to protect yourself. This is something that happened to us.
Lastly, like Built said, we have to do homework first, like survey, ask around.
Another thing is, most of the people from acc shops will always want to do all the talkings(if not, how they sotong us nicely?), they will feel very reluctant when we can also talk and starts to deny what they want us to do. So end up they will not do a proper job.

 

[munwai]

what is a "gee-na" look????? *Scratch head* :lol:

haha, calvinhpk, i went to alot of *knowledgeable* installers around town :) so thats my experience..hehe

to a certain extent, if u let urself kena sotong, then its the customer fault for not doing enuf homework. takkan u just simply go one installer, talk talk talk, then pasang liao meh....obviously u should look around, compare prices, etc etc...so if lets say one installer quote u 10k for something whcih onli cost 2-3k...and u AGREE to it, then who to blame? u buy car, buy maggi mee oso u compare price ma...expensive then dun buy lor, go other shop which sell u at a better price! :_:

 

[energie]

hehe .. no no, man you are one of those typical mofos. Dude,you think I'm pissed at you for what? For all the hoopla I can tell you you're not a very smart person. Personal feelings my a$$. Chink I dun even know you man, think I'd give two sh**s about you? I dun get " hot " very fast wan .. haha, but like I said, the guy asked a simple question, give him a simple answer. I don't like people like you, running down all these installers. If you got personal issues with them, keep it to yourself, stop going around the forum hatin'.
" the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten " was quoted from one Mr. Richard Lord of REL Acoustics, do your homework friend. Now stop hatin'. There's a Greek saying " they hate who they fear ", keep that in mind.

 

[kyheng]

I starting to like you already as an empty tin. Again you simply throw some words where you never do proper homework. I have already give him the answer with explanation on second post, 1st page. So since you quated the statement from somewhere, what is the meaning of the statement? What does it means when this applied others? I never said that I'm very smart, again you simply make assumption. Don't simply jump into some conclusion without doing proper research, it only show how uncivilized are you. Let me ask you a simple question, why suddenly you pop out and start shooting me on this thread? This I really cannot understand. Busy body or mental have some problem? Hope you are on the first, else you really have to see a mental doctor.

 

[s15]

imo... d installer will ONLY gets as good as d customer.

therefore one must do it's homework, go prepared. not
only will d installer find difficult to sotong one but also
will give one a better attention in d installation.

munwai : you do have a "gee-na" look. how's your new
project getting along?

s15 : after d parang job, dun forget to "put up a flag".

cheers.

wat flag sin?
zth or mch or kyheng hou yeh ?? :Not_Impressed::emoticon_U::confused_smile::retarded::shocked::shcokedcamo:

 

[built]

munwai : gee-na is hokkien for kid.
s one five : it's your parang job. you decide lor...:ridinghorse:

happy holidays. cheers.

 

[energie]

Basically, high end shops = cut throat shop, midlle end shop = value for money shop. <--- This is your idea of an explanation? heh .. they don't come any dumber than you man. You asked why I "popped up & shoot you". This kind of remarks pisses me off & the remark you made regarding ppl who owns helix gears whatever kena potong. You are not an audiophile my friend, you will never learn to appreciate high-end gears, your idea of a good head unit is it musn't be too bright or too dull? WTF is that? Are you even thinking? Is there anything technical that you could remotely know? Do you even know why Helix or Alpine gears cost a lot more other than installer "sotong". You tell this people don't let other people influence their decision, but your useless explanation had already sent the wrong message to the newbies. According to you I have to see a what? Mental doctor? It's called a psychiatrist you nincompoop. Well if I do have to see a "mental doctor", then I guess we know that at least I'm the one with a brain.

 

[kyheng]

Yes, you have brain, but sad to say is you really have mental problem. And with all the dirty words that you use, you are nothing better than me, worst than me I can say. Maybe your IQ is high, but EQ I really in doubt. I never say I'm an audiophile, but is it with using all the high end gears then only can considered as audiophile? Again you simply make assumptions, please don't simply jump into conclusion in some subjective matters. I never condamn on Helix users, did I? Don't simply said something which are not true. Again you simply make assumptions. I think is beeter that you see a psychiatrist. You see, with rm2k-3k we still can get a good set, as this is a very subjective matter. For you, only some setup that cost rm5k and above only you will see, you will try your best to condamn some cheap setups that done on middle range shops. So at the end is budget will still come first. Is my explanation usless or not is concluded by you? Who are you anyway? God? Hello, you are only a human, you only is lucky as you have some extra money to waste on ICE, before you jump into this useless conclusion, think of some people that have not much money to spend on ICE or on extreme case, think of some people in Africa that have no money for food.
Anyway, what is nincompoop means? Is it refering you? Looking forward on your next reply, you can say that I simply bring something that nothing to do with ICE by using African or whatever, suit you, as long as you are happy with it. Or you can say I cheating on this, kyheng is a cheater, all African got money to eat.