new tyre in front or rear?

[kurt_629]

I'm curious.

I did some search and it seems there's a mix of information.

In the western, they are putting the new tyres at rear.
Reason being is they believe new tyres on the rear axle help the driver more easily maintain control on wet roads since deeper treaded tyres are better at resisting hydroplaning.

Should we follow despite our weather different?
what is your practise?

So far, over the last 12 years, I always place the new tyres in front as it helps in better steering and braking distance.
is this right?

Can't afford to change 4 tyres at a go, hence 2 every few years..

 

[KenDiriwan]

FF or FR

 

[kurt_629]

FF or FR

front wheel drive

 

[KenDiriwan]

front wheel drive

That's your answer then.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Front because you are using FWD. Power is transferred to front where the stress on front tyres will be greater than the rear tyres. Furthermore, you are also steering with the front tyres. The rear tyres are just at the back there, rolling and being pulled along by the front of the car.

 

[ixeo]

Michelin North America - ALWAYS on the rear.
http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/safe-driving/tire-safety/mixing-tires.html

Tirerack, largest web tire seller also says rear.
https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=52

Kumho says on the rear as well, with explanation
http://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

That being said, my new(er) RE003 is on my front, with the old(er) F1D5 in the rear, because I want all 4 to wear down equally and satu kali change PS3.

 

[kurt_629]

Michelin North America - ALWAYS on the rear.
http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/safe-driving/tire-safety/mixing-tires.html

Tirerack, largest web tire seller also says rear.
https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=52

Kumho says on the rear as well, with explanation
http://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

That being said, my new(er) RE003 is on my front, with the old(er) F1D5 in the rear, because I want all 4 to wear down equally and satu kali change PS3.

confusing right?

all the tyres makers are saying to the rear while we are putting in front..

 

[ixeo]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a3121/6-common-tire-myths-debunked-10031440/

Another one from popular mechanics.

Opinion and perceived logic is one thing, science is, well, science. People can believe the earth is flat, but science says fresh tires goes to the rear

 

[sweelt]

If search youtube, new tyre to REAR. Tested for hydroplaning.

 

[ixeo]

confusing right?

all the tyres makers are saying to the rear while we are putting in front..

I think if you look at Kumho's site, quite good explanation. My GY F1D5 still got lots of thread, so it was OK to go in the rear.

If my tires were almost dead, definitely the new ones go in the rear.

But I won't have that kinda problem since 15" rubbers are dirt cheap... those with big [strike]cock[/strike] rims, might have budget issues, since tires can cost RM4xx or more per pop.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

I think you can put the new tyres to rear if your rear old tyres are not worn out yet. Then you can worn out the old tyres faster and later on you can change to 2 more new tyres.

 

[sweelt]

I think if you look at Kumho's site, quite good explanation. My GY F1D5 still got lots of thread, so it was OK to go in the rear.

If my tires were almost dead, definitely the new ones go in the rear.

But I won't have that kinda problem since 15" rubbers are dirt cheap... those with big [strike]cock[/strike] rims, might have budget issues, since tires can cost RM4xx or more per pop.

Steady ahh...ixeo

 

[kurt_629]

ok, new tyre to the rear for better hydroplaning.

but no test for braking distance?

hence I said, it may not be relevant in our local weather.
ours are hot unlike theirs, wet.

 

[loose_end]

In my opinion, based on my experience.

For cornering, rear tyre is more important.

For braking ( without cornering ) , front tyre is more important.

 

[vr2turbo]

I think you can put the new tyres to rear if your rear old tyres are not worn out yet. Then you can worn out the old tyres faster and later on you can change to 2 more new tyres.

Exactly......Keeping old tyres in the rear will make them grow old only, since hardly wear in the rear

 

[ixeo]

ok, new tyre to the rear for better hydroplaning.

but no test for braking distance?

hence I said, it may not be relevant in our local weather.
ours are hot unlike theirs, wet.

In my opinion, based on my experience.

For cornering, rear tyre is more important.

For braking ( without cornering ) , front tyre is more important.

True. Braking is impacted. BUT for street driving you do not do super late braking. Not supposed to anyway. As for emergency braking, keep a safe distance from car in front. Don't tailgate.

https://youtu.be/xHe6PuSLwqA

 

[Izso]

ok, new tyre to the rear for better hydroplaning.

but no test for braking distance?

hence I said, it may not be relevant in our local weather.
ours are hot unlike theirs, wet.

Relevance is one thing - but practicality is another. The advice from most car and tyre manufacturers is to rotate your tyres so you get even wear on all 4 tyres then one shot change all 4. Which is what I do. It's expensive I know but I have to budget and allocate money for the change. I prefer it that way because it's the safer thing to do and there will be no sudden surprises.

As for tests - you aren't supposed to have 2 worn 2 new tyre combos in the first place I think. So testing is irrelevant.

Aiya.. stick to 15" la. 130 - 160 per tyre is goddamn affordable for pretty reasonable tyres. It's when you up to 17" then it becomes ridongculous.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Exactly......Keeping old tyres in the rear will make them grow old only, since hardly wear in the rear

I think I want to change tyre soon already. Will put my rear ones to front if I change. Now my front Goodyear Duraplus performs quite poor on wet. Any hard acceleration in 1st or 2nd gear, tyres not gripping.

 

[6UE5t]

In theory as generally suggested, new tires is better at the front for safety reason especially in the wet. This is also what I have said if anyone asked in forums coz in general I would not know how they drive and what are the condition of their older tires. So for the sake of safety and not wanting to be guilty to lead someone to having an accident, that's what I'd normally suggest too. However for me personally, it would depend on the old tire condition, how different they are to the newly bought one, or how bad they are already. Because in practice when I do front/back rotation every 10-20k km, of course I'd still end up putting the slightly better tires at the front, yet it's still working fine, no spins or as scary as had been portrayed by the theory. In past, I also had put new tires at the front too coz I like the fast responsive feel of new tires at the front. However I never had so big of a difference between new & old tires between the front and rear (my old rear were never reaching bad condition in the first place), and I do keep in mind the risk of it especially in the wet and therefore I drive accordingly. Anyway the best solution is to always try to rotate regularly every 10-20k km so the wear will be more even and replace all 4 and that's mostly what I did before (cannot remember when was the last time I just changed 2 new tires to be honest). Even with my current staggered setup, last time I replaced all 4 tires even though my rears still had like 2mm deeper treads. So if possible, rotate your tires hence the tire will last longer for all 4 but then must change all 4 together too, that is the best practice IMHO. If really you can only replace 2 then since I don't know how you drive or how good you are and how are your old tires, then I'd suggest to put them at the back for better safety reason. :)

 

[KenDiriwan]

In theory as generally suggested, new tires is better at the front for safety reason especially in the wet. This is also what I have said if anyone asked in forums coz in general I would not know how they drive and what are the condition of their older tires. So for the sake of safety and not wanting to be guilty to lead someone to having an accident, that's what I'd normally suggest too. However for me personally, it would depend on the old tire condition, how different they are to the newly bought one, or how bad they are already. Because in practice when I do front/back rotation every 10-20k km, of course I'd still end up putting the slightly better tires at the front, yet it's still working fine, no spins or as scary as had been portrayed by the theory. In past, I also had put new tires at the front too coz I like the fast responsive feel of new tires at the front. However I never had so big of a difference between new & old tires between the front and rear (my old rear were never reaching bad condition in the first place), and I do keep in mind the risk of it especially in the wet and therefore I drive accordingly. Anyway the best solution is to always try to rotate regularly every 10-20k km so the wear will be more even and replace all 4 and that's mostly what I did before (cannot remember when was the last time I just changed 2 new tires to be honest). Even with my current staggered setup, last time I replaced all 4 tires even though my rears still had like 2mm deeper treads. So if possible, rotate your tires hence the tire will last longer for all 4 but then must change all 4 together too, that is the best practice IMHO. If really you can only replace 2 then since I don't know how you drive or how good you are and how are your old tires, then I'd suggest to put them at the back for better safety reason. :)

Man i had to copy out to a notepad, broke to paragraphs to ease my eye.

+1, ideally rotation are recommended at 10km (kalau rajin).