A high perfomance Inspira - Could R3 be working on a hardcore Inspira-X?

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well at 1st me n my bud think this inspira is suck..cuz we both dont like copy..but when i lepak2 on the web..i found out some news..dint get much info though..say sumthing bout mitsubishi making a deal with proton or sumthing..mits took exora's chasis for experiment and they trade deals...sumthing2 like that..well correct me if im wrong..inspira with turbo??make it twin..hahaha
 

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its like buying China/Taiwan quality for Japan brand.
 

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dun see the problem... hate the car then buy other makes lorr....... it's a blessing for those who really wants a lancer GT or a platform to make into evo X or a proton with mitsu quality. Not everybody loves ORIGINALITY and not everybody have the same taste. Thats why we have ricers, classic n vintage, autoshow, VIPs, wira rally jungkit, k-car with all types of mods, original enthusiasts, then JDMers wannabe, vtec kakis, NA, turbo and euro cars... but they love cars... :driver:
 

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i hate people copying other... i surely dont wanna buy it...

but hey! i'm malaysian and even i dont wanna buy it...i'm still ashamed what proton is doing here...rebadge a mitsu lancer and put a proton logo in it? what's the proud in it? let me put it this way...how would the japs felt if honda suddenly copying BMW M3 near 100% similarity on engine,interior and exterior...surely they r going to feel so ashamed of them self....so just can't understand how malaysian can feel proud about this mitsu-proton thing...the whole world will be laughing at proton...

yeah i know RnD is expensive...and time consuming...but i didn't see a honda,toyota or nissan copying others car during their 1st 25 of years building their brand name...they have their own model with their own looks and they r proud of it...

we want a car that we can be proud of...with our own identity...and our own technology...


 
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the funny thing is now only i can hear all proton bashers ask proton to build its own car, so that they (the bashers) can be proud of proton but when proton produce their own car for example waja, gen2, neo,saga blm and persona, they (the bashers) are the one who bash proton gao gao like nobody business eventhough they dont own or test drive it themselves. typical malaysian - local product not good. imported product good. haiyooo~
 

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acctly many of us own a proton...even i myself own a proton...we dont bash proton..but we just highlight most of the quality that we get out of our cars...i mean, who doesn't complain if we get faulty n cheap parts in our car? most of our complains are for the good of proton..so that they can improve on their quality...but instead of improving things...they decided to copy others manufacture hoping that the car doesn't have any defects like all the cars before...it's like your not good enough to do it yourself...so u start copying others people achievement...

the engineers at proton are not to be blame...because i heard they got a lot of idea's, creativity and things that they wanted to do...they r quite passion bout it...the problem lies in the top management...


 
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i hate people copying other... i surely dont wanna buy it...

but hey! i'm malaysian and even i dont wanna buy it...i'm still ashamed what proton is doing here...rebadge a mitsu lancer and put a proton logo in it? what's the proud in it? let me put it this way...how would the japs felt if honda suddenly copying BMW M3 near 100% similarity on engine,interior and exterior...surely they r going to feel so ashamed of them self....so just can't understand how malaysian can feel proud about this mitsu-proton thing...the whole world will be laughing at proton...

yeah i know RnD is expensive...and time consuming...but i didn't see a honda,toyota or nissan copying others car during their 1st 25 of years building their brand name...they have their own model with their own looks and they r proud of it...

we want a car that we can be proud of...with our own identity...and our own technology...


from what u wrote my understanding is u said proton copy mitsu without their permission...

they dont copy but rebadge it with an aggreement , thats mean it is a lancer with proton badge...new technology transfer agreement after wira era...plus mitsu took our exora and persona chasis as their mitsu model in japan....

they already came out with their own design before such as gen2 n neo..no need to prove anymore bout their ability..its also not economic to develop new chasis for a small segment car market ... its just business nothing personel hehehe
 

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I BET you if honda, toyota, nissan or whatever were to price their cars at protons price range and still give the same stuff they had...

The quality wouldnt be there :proud: . Proton for the money you pay you get quite a fair bit. At least it isnt so shitty 'till the point everytime you go on a long distance their blocks warp out of shape, or their driveshafts wear prematurely. If you do research on all the Japanese giants there ARE lemons that they made to experiment.

IF proton can go make a profit without making lemons, why not? You got to sacrifice something to gain something. Im only vouching for them now cause they're actually trying, they can just say "oh we use the waja's chassis for another 20 years, campro improve sampai really pro", they did that with the saga and look what happened. I think they learned that already :hmmmm: ....

You rebadge cars = complain. Sell cheap cars = complain. Sell it expensive = complain cause its Malaysian.

SO far the biggest lemons protons have made are the tiara + juara. The tiara is a good car but it was FAAAAAAR from reliable. The juara God only knows what they were thinking lah.

But really, the waja, persona, Gen-2 (later models), satria neo, exora are pretty good cars around the RM60k range. If someone were to give me one I would drive it and maintain it properly, its Malaysian. At least they didnt rebadge those right?

You cant get experience overnight, let proton TRY at least to get better. If in another 10 years they dont improve i'll join you guys on proton bashing kay? Sumpah :rofl:
 
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from what u wrote my understanding is u said proton copy mitsu without their permission...

they dont copy but rebadge it with an aggreement , thats mean it is a lancer with proton badge...new technology transfer agreement after wira era...plus mitsu took our exora and persona chasis as their mitsu model in japan....

they already came out with their own design before such as gen2 n neo..no need to prove anymore bout their ability..its also not economic to develop new chasis for a small segment car market ... its just business nothing personel hehehe
i'm well aware that proton has an agreement and technology transfer with mitsu since saga era...but why after 25 years proton still can't stand on their own feet?

yeah they already came out with campro engines, neo and gen2...that's an improvement...and they should step more forward and keep improving them self...so why suddenly step back to the wiralution era? just for the easy profit is it?
 

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not just proton did this rebadge stuff. other car manufacturers who have been in this business for more than 25 years also rebadge other car and make their own....
 

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i'm well aware that proton has an agreement and technology transfer with mitsu since saga era...but why after 25 years proton still can't stand on their own feet?

yeah they already came out with campro engines, neo and gen2...that's an improvement...and they should step more forward and keep improving them self...so why suddenly step back to the wiralution era? just for the easy profit is it?
Yup, that's right - easy profit. They already spent 1Bil for waja and it is not feasible anymore to spent again for this market. Volume wise not enough. But they have done that and prove proton is capable. Proton will only develop certain market model like the Saga and Exora.
JV in automotive industry is not new. It's the new deal. Like Nissan & Renault (Latio & Megane)
There are many other examples of joint developed motors and rebadging.

If want to talk about copycats or ciplak or cetak rompak kereta, go visit China. Some getting sued from Japan. But then again japan & korea used to copycat European cars. Lexus for example follows Mercedes S class design cues. Let's bash Lexus now.

Btw, proton is also working on something with VW.
Proton get some, VW get some. Not bad aah!
 

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Yup, that's right - easy profit. They already spent 1Bil for waja and it is not feasible anymore to spent again for this market. Volume wise not enough. But they have done that and prove proton is capable. Proton will only develop certain market model like the Saga and Exora.
JV in automotive industry is not new. It's the new deal. Like Nissan & Renault (Latio & Megane)
There are many other examples of joint developed motors and rebadging.

If want to talk about copycats or ciplak or cetak rompak kereta, go visit China. Some getting sued from Japan. But then again japan & korea used to copycat European cars. Lexus for example follows Mercedes S class design cues. Let's bash Lexus now.

Btw, proton is also working on something with VW.
Proton get some, VW get some. Not bad aah!
first,proton n mitsubishi is not JV or joint develop their car.
second, proton is buying the right and produce.

a very simple example, if gov tax 200% tax on toothpaste. so imported toothpaste like colgate or darlie price ll increase. then a malaysia company buy colgate formula and product n sell as 'progate'. sure progate price ll cheaper den colgate n darlie. if a malaysia company design and produce their own product by their own is ok and i also think we need to protect malaysia company in first place. but if the company is just rebadge or copy dengan apa jua sekali pun, i think we cannot accept this kind of company.
 

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atleast it was approved by the right owner...

if pirated/copy without permission sure i oso bash proton to death.... :adore:
 

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yups. it is not a copy. like what mr pomen gtr said... it was approved by the owner (mitsubishi)..
 

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first,proton n mitsubishi is not JV or joint develop their car.
second, proton is buying the right and produce.

a very simple example, if gov tax 200% tax on toothpaste. so imported toothpaste like colgate or darlie price ll increase. then a malaysia company buy colgate formula and product n sell as 'progate'. sure progate price ll cheaper den colgate n darlie. if a malaysia company design and produce their own product by their own is ok and i also think we need to protect malaysia company in first place. but if the company is just rebadge or copy dengan apa jua sekali pun, i think we cannot accept this kind of company.
true, in the case of Inspira it's not JV, but some agreement put in place. Globally manufacturers are working with each other these days to cut cost in many form. Some co-develop engine only, some share chassis, some buy engine and some rebadge.

rebadge and copy is two different things. Brabus rebadges mercs. Alpina rebadges BMW. Ruf & Gemballa rebadges Porsches. Wald rebadges Honda's, toyota's & VW's.
Holden, Vauxhall, Opel are all GM rebadges. KIA rebadges Mazda 121.
So can't accept these companies too? whoaa.. very high standard to meet for some people...
 

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simply say, most malaysian is not dun like rebadge or copy but is not like some company take advantage from tax and continue selling other company product as own. when u buy a inspira, u actually pay double of profit, 1 is go to proton, 1 is go to mitsubishi. if like that, why we need proton?
brabus, gemballa put luxury n power to their rebadge then proton is put thunder car on inspira. if all of u dun like me bash proton and u so like n proud of inspira, PLS DUN CHANGE UR BUMPER TO be LANCER or EVOX. stick to ur thunder cat grill!!! hope u keep thinking that u are driving a proton inspira not lancer when u saw ur steering thunder cat!!
 

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i don't understand what's the problem in the mind of person who bashing proton.what's wrong if proton rebadge mitsubishi lancer car? mitsubishi company don't have any problem proton rebadge their car.they already have an agreement together for a long time and they happy with it.they both got profit.we as the user will get a good quality,design and strong chassis car with a resionable price although it's not ori but hey..we all know it's still mitsubishi car maa.i don't have any problems with that.if u don't like proton rebadge lancer, u buy another proton original (not rebadge) car laa like persona,saga atau gen2 ke.proton still and will produce their own and original design car/engine in future maa. if this inspira selling with hot cakes i'll think proton wont have any problem to design & rebuild new car & engine .u must know that proton also pay tax to goverment.don't think only u who pay tax ok.
 

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if this inspira-x is a re-badging of the evo X....and if the price is chear...surely i will get one! hehe..its the performance,looks and price tag that matter..not the name
 

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Actually the Inspira has some places that got improved over the Lancer GT.

If I own an Inspira, I would not rebadge it to a Lancer and become a wannabe and go with the masses. I will keep the ori badge or just debagde the car. Put in a set of custom bodykit instead of fitting in the GT or EvoX body parts and look like the ordinary. We have some really good body shop around and I believe they could come out with something that is nicer than the EvoX or GT look for the Inspira.

I feel numb & bored looking at all those GTs trying to look like EvoX and those Wira, Waja, trying so hard to look like EvoX...MyVi trying to be Toyota or Lexus.. =.='

I hope the R3 guys will come out with something that is different and I wish them all the best. I know they can do it.
 
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2cent : wait till it drop its price like waja & perdana after 2 years then buy.

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2cent : wait till it drop its price like waja & perdana after 2 years then buy.

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i don't understand what's the problem in the mind of person who bashing proton.what's wrong if proton rebadge mitsubishi lancer car? mitsubishi company don't have any problem proton rebadge their car.they already have an agreement together for a long time and they happy with it.they both got profit.we as the user will get a good quality,design and strong chassis car with a resionable price although it's not ori but hey..we all know it's still mitsubishi car maa.i don't have any problems with that.if u don't like proton rebadge lancer, u buy another proton original (not rebadge) car laa like persona,saga atau gen2 ke.proton still and will produce their own and original design car/engine in future maa. if this inspira selling with hot cakes i'll think proton wont have any problem to design & rebuild new car & engine .u must know that proton also pay tax to goverment.don't think only u who pay tax ok.
Why?

like a person who cheat in exam la, copy smart person ( Pass exam ) copy dumb ass ( fail exam )

like a person come to you : sells u ( So Called ) Original work of art (rolex ) for dirt price. ( like thet gonna Happens.

who compare bonia to hugo boss? coz bonia is local talent work not photocopy hugo boss ( originality in respect )

where is the effort of building cars? then proton cant be considered as car manufacturer, car bulider & of course proton wont be auto maker.

proton is car re-assembly company, car re-engineering company, car re-badge-ing company, re-style-ing company.

buy lotus also re-engineer car only, previously bought italian engine building company = go sell

campro proton 100% meh? not study from toyota vvti? tweak it?

better play lego set like that ok lor.

its only good for me when later its re-sale value after 2 years, then i buy it. thank proton for making me not buy proton(g) cars brand new ever again. i settle 4 their 2nd hand instead. ( super duper cheapo :burnout:.
 

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normally a Jap Tuner Company will tune the performance car... now a car manufacturer do the job. =.=