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05-27-2012, 03:27 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Hi guys...I accompanied my friend to a car workshop and I noticed that they are selling this "Cyclone Vortex" products. Well FTW, its a piece of metal which is installed in the air intake passage to create a vortex / a swirl of air to improve air flow.
This thing has been in the market for...well...many years and when I saw it, it was like "this thing still exists???"
Any1 has any experience with this product? What is the outcome? To me, I've got no idea whether it brings good or bad.
The creation of a vortex is surely improves the air flow as it increases the air velocity. But at the same time, effective area is reduced. So unless the increase in velocity can overcome the reduce in area, its pretty useless.
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05-28-2012, 12:59 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Quote:
Originally Posted by cvkit17 Hi guys...I accompanied my friend to a car workshop and I noticed that they are selling this "Cyclone Vortex" products. Well FTW, its a piece of metal which is installed in the air intake passage to create a vortex / a swirl of air to improve air flow.
This thing has been in the market for...well...many years and when I saw it, it was like "this thing still exists???"
Any1 has any experience with this product? What is the outcome? To me, I've got no idea whether it brings good or bad.
The creation of a vortex is surely improves the air flow as it increases the air velocity. But at the same time, effective area is reduced. So unless the increase in velocity can overcome the reduce in area, its pretty useless.
Sifu? | Your conclusion is exactly right. http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...xperiment.html
I wrote about it sometime back and mine was a cloned DIY sample similar to those fangdangled gadgets. |
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05-28-2012, 09:52 PM
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#108 | | 1000bhp Senior
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Izso | Nice testing there! Well u should try it "out of the real thing" first haha...fit it into a water bottle, turn it upside down and time the water flow. Air and water are both fluid..should work
I got 1 ori cyclone installed in my dad's old nissan senta, which is running on carb. Well i would say...with or without the cyclone...no rasa lol...neither increase or decrease in anything |
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05-29-2012, 09:24 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Quote:
Originally Posted by cvkit17 Nice testing there! Well u should try it "out of the real thing" first haha...fit it into a water bottle, turn it upside down and time the water flow. Air and water are both fluid..should work
I got 1 ori cyclone installed in my dad's old nissan senta, which is running on carb. Well i would say...with or without the cyclone...no rasa lol...neither increase or decrease in anything | Carb is different, you can control the amount of fuel and all that, everything's mechanical. Mine's EFI, so not enough air is not enough air and resulting in choking. It might or might not work for Carb if you mess around with the A/F and all. |
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05-29-2012, 12:12 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Anyone here using QMAX Voltage Stabilizer here? And this QMAX company is also selling the Cyclones [WTS]Qmax Products
And there's 1 from HKS which is pretty the same...VS+grounding+duno wat power booster lol... |
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06-26-2012, 12:54 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! I've built my own multiple spark ignition cdis system. It's capable of 6 sparks at spark voltage 30,000 Volts. It's improve accelaration of my 4G15 sohc carb type engine. I still use the original distributor w/ built-in ignition coil. I can easily compare the performance by switching from CDIS to exciter type of ignition system. It will took only 30 seconds to switch connectors. ---------- Post added at 12:54 AM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 12:30 AM ---------- Quote:
Originally Posted by cvkit17 Anyone here using QMAX Voltage Stabilizer here? And this QMAX company is also selling the Cyclones [WTS]Qmax Products
And there's 1 from HKS which is pretty the same...VS+grounding+duno wat power booster lol... | I prefer installing Grounding System than Voltage stabilizer. Specially if your car have rusted or dirty grounding wire connection. Voltage drop will be reduced and therefore voltage in your ignition systems was at normal voltage +13V which give better spark voltage for spark plug. |
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06-26-2012, 08:44 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! interesting! any pics? y not use an external ignition coil?
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06-26-2012, 09:12 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Picture of my Multiple Spark CDIS. Installed in Mitsubishi Lancer EL 1996. I did not know which Proton equivalent.
Aluminum casing on left side was the CDIS, Wires w/ black electric tape from distributor was connected to Exciter and built-in ignition coil. I still use original Distributor for easy conversion back to original wiring connection. Note connector w/ yellow arrow for conversion procedure. CDIS unit was a prototype and installed since April 2012. http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...nConnector.jpg
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06-26-2012, 09:23 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! awesome! till what rpm does it give 6 sparks? msd 6a gives multisparks only up to 3000 if im not mistaken
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06-26-2012, 10:49 AM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Quote:
Originally Posted by tofu_manic awesome! till what rpm does it give 6 sparks? msd 6a gives multisparks only up to 3000 if im not mistaken | This CDIS mostly use digital circuits unlike previous old MSD use analog circuits. 6 spark will start to decrease gradually when 2,000 rpm was reached.
Below youtube video link showing the distributor Ignition coil only and my CDIS circuit board during test and development. Note maximum current was 1.8 ampere, therefore ignition coil will be colder. CDIS component will not overheat and note that 6 power transistor have no heatsink for thermal protection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSzk4...leSparkCDI.mp4 - YouTube
Sorry if i'm out of the topic.
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07-02-2012, 01:16 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Put your car in garage..and don't ever drive it..haha..kidding |
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07-02-2012, 06:25 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! the best fuel saving device that i use is.... NGV
6cents per kilometer..
even a hybrid can't beat that
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09-03-2012, 02:56 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! hey,,did you guys ever heard of Qmax products ?
do these products really work ? |
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09-03-2012, 03:21 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Hadi17 hey,,did you guys ever heard of Qmax products ?
do these products really work ? | u mean this 1? How to save fuel in car?Use nanotechnology Qmax nano Fuel Saver products.Manufacturer,Qmax nanotechnology products, aftermarket performance parts to increase horsepower, less pollution, smoother engine, engine response, deisel common rail engine, pet
does infrared effect fuel?
anyhow, if any of u guyz have an infrared camera.. u can take a look at Qmax
anyway, some info on infrared..
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09-03-2012, 03:45 PM
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| Re: Fuel Saving Devices - Read before you buy ! Fuel saving, this picture says it all |
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