i have watched ppl b4. Mau jack, unsure mana jacking point... then the fella jacked the car up and tried to loosen the bolts when the wheel in in the air, futile attempt as the whole wheel started turning also dont know why he insisted on trying to insert the centre cap onto the spare space saver wheel (also a futile attempt) when he was doneAfter an accident one is good.
Some knows but the leverage is not there. If 3 years never remove lug nuts before, its quite hard lolol