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currently driving a honda eh2 (similar to eg8), i am confuse on which road should i go to mod my car... i imagine a few ways but i dunno what will be the real output since i new to honda..... pls give ur opinion and help, my current engine is zc 1.6 sohc, manual.... so my plans are

1. b.o.t the current engine, but since it is low boost(0.5 bar), i only afraid those power output does not fulfill my hunger of G force.. if need going higher boost (1 bar), dunno where to find the internal parts upgrades and the cost and output might just like normal b series

2. b16a+b.o.t (low boost), by dumping in this , i think the power will be magnificent, however i had saw 1 fren rojak b16a turbo in his eg end up slower then n/a form, that is what i concern...

3. b18c type R, this is the most costly 1 but i believe the stock form of this R engine is scary enough, what i concern is i plan to get the dc2 h/cut after 98 which with N3E gearbox which have longer 4th and 5th ratio other then the S80 gearbox which is close ratio and make fuel consumption suffer a lot....


which way will be the best way all sifu:confused::confused::banghead::banghead: Pls help:confused::confused: the power output, fuel consumption, cost,anything pls comment and give opinion:confused::confused: newbie to the honda...
 

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Given your options, I'll go with option 3 as well.

I quite disagree for Honda engines to be turboed. NA should be the best. This is just my opinion. And of course no harm in BOT. B18CR is expensive but you will surely be satisfied with the right tuner. Or you can opt for B20 VTEC too. Hehe.
 

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Go for option 3 ba.. if still not enough to satisfy you, den go BOT + 2.0block.. still not enough? Put NOS.. still cannot satisfy? Dump in K20A and BOT + 2.4block + NOS.. if like this still cannot satisfy your hunger.. i think the best way is don't mod your car.. just buy a skyline R34.. because once you mod, you'll be hunger forever.. it's like a poison.. hehe... just my 2 cents..
 

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i will go for no 2 or 3 depends on situation... theres a lot of workshop can tune b series engine to be a good vtec turbo.. i prefer avantech since there did a lot of RnD for vtec turbo... for b16a-T, we can easily get 250-350hp... BUT, as always, turbo need more maintenance than NA.. If you want easy maintenance, go for b18cR.. 200hp.. NA..
 

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hmm....among those options. 3 is the best.

but maybe you consider to add a fourth?

b16a halfcut, and get a b20 block....the power here is veryyyyyyy nice...price will be cheaper than b18c type R halfcut and its also cheaper than BOT a b16a...but power is as powerful as those setups.. try out this setup..and i doubt ull go for BOT anymore...
 

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agree.... either go with b18c-r or get a b20b.....
the precious vtec roar is more visible with b18b.... torque is higher with b20b....
or maybe get a b16b complete halfcut.... (option 2.5 without the boost.....heheheh)

keep the honda NA as it should.... it will serve u well as it is quite durable.... once u BOT then u get higher figures but make sure ur pocker is also deeper....

trust me.... the engine is a screamer.... and very addictive..... also consider your base platform (mounting, chassis, suspension, bushings, brakes, etc) just so that it can keep up with the new powerplant....

cheers bro!
 

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a screamer she is. nobody else will ever be able to scream like she did. :bawling:
 

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of all 3 options... no. 3 is the best...easiest, most powerful.. reliable.

but id go with B18C GSR.. cheaper than no 3 and u still get the torque of a 1.8....plus no need to mod this and mod that so u should get a reliable engine...

or B16A halfcut + B20 block as others have mentioned.. 2.0 torque babeh.....b20 can be reliable if built properly.. but it also has a reputation of going kaput...but the torque... my b20 blew in SIC.. and i rebuilt (and modded) another B20... could have saved some money if just plonked in a B18C-R... but the torque....oh the torque....thats why i went with B20 again...

but for B16....theres a reason why they made this picture



hahahahahahhaha
 

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wat happened to yr 600hp evo? still around ah?
stock wira with e4 engine only, accident in the rain cause of china nankang tyre:banghead::banghead:float on water while braking, damn, should upgrade it earlier:banghead::banghead:

anyway, i sell it and get a honda already....

all sifu, i do a lot of survey, b16a h/cut, at least 7k for non lsd and 8k plus for lsd, b16b 12k plus,b18c R 13k plus, b18c gsr lsd 10k, non lsd 9k(this 1 with installation)...

all sifu, what u think if i do like this, d16, forged internal, block guards, upgrade injector, tdo5h, management and boost the hell out of it?? cost similar to those halfcut and installation, and with forged internal and proper tune, i think power output is far more then those stock h/cut and reliable also rite??

here is the latest project of a guy in kuching,eg3 d16,target 400 whp,turbo to4e, 0.8bar. currently cant archieve it yet since injector too small cannot up anymore,stock block and forged internal :wavey::wavey:
what will all u sifus think??

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stock wira with e4 engine only, accident in the rain cause of china nankang tyre:banghead::banghead:float on water while braking, damn, should upgrade it earlier:banghead::banghead:

anyway, i sell it and get a honda already....

all sifu, i do a lot of survey, b16a h/cut, at least 7k for non lsd and 8k plus for lsd, b16b 12k plus,b18c R 13k plus, b18c gsr lsd 10k, non lsd 9k(this 1 with installation)...

all sifu, what u think if i do like this, d16, forged internal, block guards, upgrade injector, tdo5h, management and boost the hell out of it?? cost similar to those halfcut and installation, and with forged internal and proper tune, i think power output is far more then those stock h/cut and reliable also rite??

here is the latest project of a guy in kuching,eg3 d16,target 400 whp,turbo to4e, 0.8bar. currently cant archieve it yet since injector too small cannot up anymore,stock block and forged internal :wavey::wavey:
what will all u sifus think??

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I have seen many d16 turbo cars around. Even my exhaust guy's track car is the same. I can't say much about going turbo. I only read and talk about it a little but I know very well it's doable. Have you visited Honda-tech? There are quite a number of them who discuss on turbo Honda's. Maybe you can get an idea from there.
 

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If G force is what you want, go for a proper turbo setup.

It doesn't matter which engine to put turbo, either one. NA you will never get too much G force.

By putting in a turbo, I don't mean those done cheaply aka sekadar boleh jalan low boost type. If you're really keen on doing this, do a full rebuild, change your pistons to low comp pistons, get some new adequately sized ball-bearing turbos, get aftermarket ecu/management. If done right, it will never be slower than an NA like what your friend is experiencing. But be caution, it will never be cheap.

For a turbo, I think its good enough to use your current engine for the job. Yeah, B16 is better for the job, but you need to get the halfcut of it and hence double the price of the whole project.

But what most important is planning, how much power do you really want, and go concult the sifus whether it is reachable with a setup you plan.
 

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Option 1:
GO check out forged Vitara pistons. Eagle rods. Clutch could be the main issue since there's less aftermarket clutch for D's. RX7 Racing clutch can be used with minimal modification. There you go.

Option 2:
In which way ur friend is slower??? Balls are smallers to boost..? Or he's just not used to turbocharge...? Just curious.
B16A turbocharging is common. The engine is well equip with high rev configuration. Oversquare and long rod.

Few reason for slower regardless of driver.
-Tractionless after BOT due to higher torque
-Clutch failure
-Torque steer

Option 3
Hmm... Not as scary as u may imagine when u've previously owned a 600HP car
 

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Option 1:
GO check out forged Vitara pistons. Eagle rods. Clutch could be the main issue since there's less aftermarket clutch for D's. RX7 Racing clutch can be used with minimal modification. There you go.

Option 2:
In which way ur friend is slower??? Balls are smallers to boost..? Or he's just not used to turbocharge...? Just curious.
B16A turbocharging is common. The engine is well equip with high rev configuration. Oversquare and long rod.

Few reason for slower regardless of driver.
-Tractionless after BOT due to higher torque
-Clutch failure
-Torque steer

Option 3
Hmm... Not as scary as u may imagine when u've previously owned a 600HP car
:banghead::banghead:why many ppl wanna suan me T.T it is just stock e4 engine with 280bhp stock T.T .....

my fren is so innocent being cheated by the seller, an eg8 with rojak b16a turbo, b16a is real,gearbox lsd is real, turbo garrett ar50, injector dunno,emanage blue, thicker gasket,custom intercooler,stock absorber with cut spring, stock internal, if he always boost i think kaboom already,the retainer sound tak tak tak so loud when rev high, what make me :banghead::banghead:after heard is , he bought that car around 45k ... WTF:banghead::banghead: rich man's son.....i can buy my dream evo already......

btw,back to the main point, i might as well as going for b18cR 1st since i think it is reliable and good power rating even in stock form, 2nd, bore is 81mm i can easily kacuk toyota supercharge piston and boost it up for more horses,but of course the 2nd plan future long way to go:biggrin:

d16,after extreme modification,i just afraid of the daily driven reliability and those aftermarket parts need time and my patient to wait and source out (even i detect source for those parts) lol:biggrin:
 

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sell the honda and get a mazda my friend, more fun more gurls more respect :)
every brand of cars need to be respected , there is not only mazda in this world my friend, if u wan more fun or more bitch(only bitch directly jump on unknown men's luxury car), u better get BMW(bring me women)....... i am not saying mazda no good, myself like fc3s and fd3s a lot,but when u on this route, u can only keep going since u have no choice,i made my mind on honda, unless u dun mind sponsor me a mazda for carrying some bitches......FYI, my gf sit on my broken old junk orange potong wira since we know each other until now, cars are not a matter for attracting sexy babes, u watched too much movies and car magazies:wavey::wavey::nurse::nurse:

Last but not least, driving follow the rules , people will respect u more then looking at ur brand, only fast furious when the traffic is empty, my advice young man's thinking guy..:itsme::nurse:
 

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Good to see a 'young man' thinking so sensibly.

Btw, I've been reading your posts but you never mentioned a budget. Whats your budget for all these mods?
 

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more or less,15k
 

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Are you planning to go for B18C turbo? This is gonna be helluva ride bro. Can't wait for you to start on it.:adore::adore: B18C is already damn good for me. You are gonna turbo it, can't imagine.. I'll be in dreamland. Hehe.:adore:
 

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wanna be a honda purist or not to be......hmmmm both have its own path.....

interesting on how different the outcomes may be.........
 

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Agree with WPQ800. For me, Honda cars not meant for FI eventhough it can be done.

But if you like it, by all means go ahead. Whatever it is, I will still appreciate your effort.
 

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ive crossed path to work daily with few NA monsters......... also using the same NKVE or NPE highway would be few daily driven boosted beast (both turbo from factory and bolt-ons rides)....... some made me go like.........DAMNNNNNNN..... thats nice....... and some would be just plain-jane looking but during WOT, transformed to be a scary monster...... which is nice also in its own style.... some looks really fast even when the are parked....

also worth mentioning the failed projects, and few misconceptions of creations on the road ......hahahaha but thats my daily view and im loving it.....

to me, (just to me) honda should always be in its NA state...... properly tuned, it will demolished lap times created by boosted cars......
 

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15K budget is quite healthy. But I'm talking about a Proton, not sure about Honda. For a Proton you probably could get :

1. Forged pistons and conrods, oversized valves and springs
2. stroker kit
3. rebored and resleeved block
4. port and polish
5. complete balancing and blueprint
6. engine lightening
7. cam shafts

I'm not sure if there'll be enough to turbo the car after that. LOL I guess the alternative would be to straight go turbo with upgraded pistons, fueling, engine management and the turbo kit itself. Prob will have to be 2nd hand though (the turbo and management)
 

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yup, most probably around that amount............ u could have a steady hell-thy NA baby monster...... but turbo hmmm..... plus-minus not quite enough.... labour job quite high....

also based on experience.... the thing about B series - honda (also the K series) is that u basically are spoiled for choice when it comes to performance parts.... they have i think almost 95% aftermarket parts for all components (drivetrain, powertrain, etc) available in huge range and brands and also pricetag...... (even for a particularly same item....hahaha)

same goes to popular mitsu 4g engine series.....
 

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15K budget is quite healthy. But I'm talking about a Proton, not sure about Honda. For a Proton you probably could get :

1. Forged pistons and conrods, oversized valves and springs
2. stroker kit
3. rebored and resleeved block
4. port and polish
5. complete balancing and blueprint
6. engine lightening
7. cam shafts

I'm not sure if there'll be enough to turbo the car after that. LOL I guess the alternative would be to straight go turbo with upgraded pistons, fueling, engine management and the turbo kit itself. Prob will have to be 2nd hand though (the turbo and management)
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Then B18C transplant itself could have cost the price.

ive crossed path to work daily with few NA monsters......... also using the same NKVE or NPE highway would be few daily driven boosted beast (both turbo from factory and bolt-ons rides)....... some made me go like.........DAMNNNNNNN..... thats nice....... and some would be just plain-jane looking but during WOT, transformed to be a scary monster...... which is nice also in its own style.... some looks really fast even when the are parked....

also worth mentioning the failed projects, and few misconceptions of creations on the road ......hahahaha but thats my daily view and im loving it.....

to me, (just to me) honda should always be in its NA state...... properly tuned, it will demolished lap times created by boosted cars......
U mean the 2' 15" Subaru and EVO at Sepang...?? Haha...

Well, I believe different ppl have different preference and expectation... One of my friend would leave anything else standard in all his weekend fun car. But dog box would need to be in the car before it's called drivable..

Some of my friends would BOT to anything he has even on his mom's Alphard.

It all goes back to which kind of ride paterj wants... Highway or corner, Wheel spin or traction... It's all up to you and ur driving behaviour and style.... Happy modding... Cheers.
 

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for 15k....

id go for a B18C GSR transplant... can get about 10k

balance 5k use for brakes, rims, suspension and tires if ur still using stock items... but if u already have all those... then the 5k can use for cams, hondata, intake manifold etc etc
 

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for 15k....

id go for a B18C GSR transplant... can get about 10k

balance 5k use for brakes, rims, suspension and tires if ur still using stock items... but if u already have all those... then the 5k can use for cams, hondata, intake manifold etc etc
hondata yummy-ness!