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Sifus, need some help here. I'm from penang, driving a Mira-ed 659 EFI turbocharged Kancil with a normal stock boost of only 7 psi. I'd like to increase its performance buy upgrading my turbine (maybe a TD04), but from wat some frens tipped me off, i need to strengthen my internal engine parts.

This is where i'm weakest. I wanna understand a few questions below:

1) What effects might take place if i upgrade these internal parts (e.g. cam pulley, camshaft, compression ratio, crankshaft, throttle body, etc)
2) How does all these parts contribute to the performance of my car knowing its functions?
3) What is port and polish and its purposes?
4) How will the fuel consumption be like after performing all these upgrades? (though i know that with greater power needs more fuel, but i'd like to know to wat extend will the consumption increase)
5) What is the difference between IHI turbines and Hybrid turbines? Are they the same or is it different?

The reason i wanna understand and learn all these is becos i do not hope to be conned by and Tom, Dick or Harry mech to upgrade unnecessary parts. I've been conned many times before, lesson well learn. This is becos i haven't found the rite guy to trust. Maybe u can intro me to some mechs around my area in Penang (preferably penang island).

Thanks so much all the sifus out there. I'm eagerly waiting ur counsel...
 

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congrats on the conversion.

1-upgrading ur internals will allow u to do many things.mainly when u upgrade it..it can withstand high pressure.meaning higher boost.compression ratio is for ur higher boost.and the other's are for better performance overall.

2-all these parts?give a bit more spesific parts to be xplained =)

3-a port and polish is when ur engine block is taken a part and it gets a "polish" where they "smoothen" ur engine block for better performance in general.

4-wats the xtend of comsumption?it is a very subjective question..i cant give u a rough answer also...maybe sum1 else can.

5-not sure! haha
 

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Thanks L2Turbofool,

These stuffs means:

2 - all these parts meaning the parts mentioned in question 1 in my post earlier.

4 - consumption in the sense whereby, if i perform port and polish, upgrade all the parts mentioned in question 1, how high can it go? Currently i'm doing approx 11cents/km...average consumption...higher than ori NA 660 kancil doing 9cents/km...

Wat about handling? can u recommend wat else i can improve? I'm currently using HWL adjustables with hi/lo only. Will be going in to KL to do up TiTAN suspension...its a confirm, will also be upgrading my clutch to exedy racing clutch. These 2 will be next project in June. Now having exam...so kinda laying low for a while...
 

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Originally posted by MystaJ@Apr 9 2005, 00:55
Thanks L2Turbofool,

These stuffs means:

2 - all these parts meaning the parts mentioned in question 1 in my post earlier.

4 - consumption in the sense whereby, if i perform port and polish, upgrade all the parts mentioned in question 1, how high can it go? Currently i'm doing approx 11cents/km...average consumption...higher than ori NA 660 kancil doing 9cents/km...

Wat about handling? can u recommend wat else i can improve? I'm currently using HWL adjustables with hi/lo only. Will be going in to KL to do up TiTAN suspension...its a confirm, will also be upgrading my clutch to exedy racing clutch. These 2 will be next project in June. Now having exam...so kinda laying low for a while...
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Where do yu get your exedy racing clucth please? How much? Thanks :D
 

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Originally posted by peterink2000+Apr 10 2005, 10:57 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peterink2000 @ Apr 10 2005, 10:57 )</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MystaJ@Apr 9 2005, 00:55
Thanks L2Turbofool,

These stuffs means:

2 -  all these parts meaning the parts mentioned in question 1 in my post earlier.

4 - consumption in the sense whereby, if i perform port and polish, upgrade all the parts mentioned in question 1, how high can it go? Currently i'm doing approx 11cents/km...average consumption...higher than ori NA 660 kancil doing 9cents/km...

Wat about handling? can u recommend wat else i can improve? I'm currently using HWL adjustables with hi/lo only. Will be going in to KL to do up TiTAN suspension...its a confirm, will also be upgrading my clutch to exedy racing clutch. These 2 will be next project in June. Now having exam...so kinda laying low for a while...
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peterink2000,

actually rite, u're supposed to answer my questions and gimme some help here, but now u're asking me questions <_< ...but since i'm kind enuff i let u know la...

search for a guy in zth by the nick : HMS
He's the dealer for exedy racing clutch and other various parts...depending on ur car model la...he's pretty cool...he's located in KL...
 

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bro mystaj
bro l2turbofool already answer some of ur question.
from my opinion,
going to a big turbo is not that easy.
there are many others thing to consider.
the most important thing is $ and wat type of ur driving style.
a td04 eventhough the smallest one from pajero will cause an amount of lag for a 660 block mira.if want to make the power out from it,u need high boost and the power u get is maybe after rpm4000 when the boost in,b4 the boost in,maybe u will find that it is underpower for daily driving which is under rpm4000(vacumm stage).
u may at least need metal head gasket,fuel management system,something to remove all the cut off,boost,fuel cut...,boost controller and a good tuner.
and also the racing clutch that u going to purchase.
anyway happy boosting.
 

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fct,

thanks for the info, i'm well aware of the lag that may be caused by a bigger turbine (e.g. TD04). About the fuel management system and something to remove all the cut offs, u r refering to ECU system rite? Wat's my choice? Aftermarket ECUs? Where to find? I'm allocating a max budget of RM2k on all these items...i also heard from some frens that i might need to get forged crankshaft and pistons and lower down my compression ratios.

1) The question for me is, where can i get these forged crankshaft and pistons?
2) How do i go about lowering my compression ratio (in other words, i dun understand wat does it mean by lowering the compression ratio).

Thats why i'm here seeking counsel from all the sifus in ZTH who happen to stumble upon my humble topic to help me find an answer and understanding to this problem i have. Somebody kind enuff? PLEASE HELP ME!
 

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Originally posted by MystaJ@Apr 11 2005, 18:07
fct,

thanks for the info, i'm well aware of the lag that may be caused by a bigger turbine (e.g. TD04). About the fuel management system and something to remove all the cut offs, u r refering to ECU system rite? Wat's my choice? Aftermarket ECUs? Where to find? I'm allocating a max budget of RM2k on all these items...i also heard from some frens that i might need to get forged crankshaft and pistons and lower down my compression ratios.

1) The question for me is, where can i get these forged crankshaft and pistons?
2) How do i go about lowering my compression ratio (in other words, i dun understand wat does it mean by lowering the compression ratio).

Thats why i'm here seeking counsel from all the sifus in ZTH who happen to stumble upon my humble topic to help me find an answer and understanding to this problem i have. Somebody kind enuff? PLEASE HELP ME!
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the fuel management system is a piggyback or full replacement system of ur existing ecu.
such as safc,sitc,smt,obit,unichip,motec,haltec,microtech.......
for a budget of rm2000,i think it is quite tight to do this td04 project.
a td04 pajero+installation+welding the adaptor and downpipe will already cost u a bomb(around rm1000).dont bother to say want to add the piggyback.a safc secondhand will cost u rm350 (5 button),blue screen around rm600.for boost control,u may use the 'tulang ikan' which is cheap but i personnaly do not think it is reliable,better go at least a proper secondhand manual boost controller which will cost u around rm200.a secondhand fcd which cost around rm200.a fuel regulator maybe a fse secondhand at rm350 not including welding work for l2 fuel rail.metal gasket +others gasket+ labour =?
for question 1:
i also dont know where to get those forge thingy for l2 but i know the cost is very high.
for question 2:
if u change ur head gasket to a more thicker one,u r lowering down ur compression ratio.skimming of head also influence the compression.

my advice for u is play this engine step by step and provide this engine with care first because u just transplant ma.
use some part of the rm2000 on ur car maintenance first.check the engine mounting,waterpump,belting,thermostat,fuel filter,engine oil,radiotor,drive shaft + those stupid rubber which alway worn out,bushing........
just maintain it first and drive it until u quite familiar with it then upgrade where u think not enough,maybe u will think to upgrade the suspension sytem or braking system first and some simple mod such as intake and exhaust upgrade and up boost a bit,let say 0.8-0.9 bar.
 

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Originally posted by fct+Apr 12 2005, 15:03 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fct @ Apr 12 2005, 15:03 )</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MystaJ@Apr 11 2005, 18:07
fct,

thanks for the info, i'm well aware of the lag that may be caused by a bigger turbine (e.g. TD04). About the fuel management system and something to remove all the cut offs, u r refering to ECU system rite? Wat's my choice? Aftermarket ECUs? Where to find? I'm allocating a max budget of RM2k on all these items...i also heard from some frens that i might need to get forged crankshaft and pistons and lower down my compression ratios.

1) The question for me is, where can i get these forged crankshaft and pistons?
2) How do i go about lowering my compression ratio (in other words, i dun understand wat does it mean by lowering the compression ratio).

Thats why i'm here seeking counsel from all the sifus in ZTH who happen to stumble upon my humble topic to help me find an answer and understanding to this problem i have. Somebody kind enuff? PLEASE HELP ME!
[snapback]887476[/snapback]​
the fuel management system is a piggyback or full replacement system of ur existing ecu.
such as safc,sitc,smt,obit,unichip,motec,haltec,microtech.......
for a budget of rm2000,i think it is quite tight to do this td04 project.
a td04 pajero+installation+welding the adaptor and downpipe will already cost u a bomb(around rm1000).dont bother to say want to add the piggyback.a safc secondhand will cost u rm350 (5 button),blue screen around rm600.for boost control,u may use the 'tulang ikan' which is cheap but i personnaly do not think it is reliable,better go at least a proper secondhand manual boost controller which will cost u around rm200.a secondhand fcd which cost around rm200.a fuel regulator maybe a fse secondhand at rm350 not including welding work for l2 fuel rail.metal gasket +others gasket+ labour =?
for question 1:
i also dont know where to get those forge thingy for l2 but i know the cost is very high.
for question 2:
if u change ur head gasket to a more thicker one,u r lowering down ur compression ratio.skimming of head also influence the compression.

my advice for u is play this engine step by step and provide this engine with care first because u just transplant ma.
use some part of the rm2000 on ur car maintenance first.check the engine mounting,waterpump,belting,thermostat,fuel filter,engine oil,radiotor,drive shaft + those stupid rubber which alway worn out,bushing........
just maintain it first and drive it until u quite familiar with it then upgrade where u think not enough,maybe u will think to upgrade the suspension sytem or braking system first and some simple mod such as intake and exhaust upgrade and up boost a bit,let say 0.8-0.9 bar.
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Thanks for ur help. I also realise that a budget of RM2k will be very tight for the whole TD04 project. But i'm thinking about doing it step by step like u mentioned. But the problem is there are a lot of things that i'm not familiar with. Things like:

1) Wat is an SAFC and its purpose?
2) Wat is an FCD and its purpose?
3) Wat is an FSE and its purpose?
4) Wat is SITC, SMT, OBIT, Unichip, Motec, Haltec and Microtech? Wat are all these and its purposes? Can u be kind enuff to explain its purpose and functions that can contribute to my car?
5) Are all the things stated above compatible with my car (i.e. can all these be installed in my car?)

The reason for question 5 is becos i bought a speedmeter from Pivot only to find out later that it cannot be installed in my car becos it isn't compatible with my ECU system. So i have a reason to doubt whether all the items u have mentioned (e.g. SAFC which i have heard of before from Apexi but have no idea wat it does) can be installed in my car or not. Can u pls advice?

I've upgraded my stock rubber brake hose to stainless steel RS brake hose with EBC brake pads recently (with current stock L2S disc brake rotors), really good! I've also changed my exhaust system from the bullet stage onwards with 2" straight flow piping as well as an open-pod Apex'i air filter as a better intake. However, my boost haven't gone up. I don't feel much difference. My boost level still remain at 0.7bar boost (at stock level). Could it be that my straight flow piping diameter is too big?

I'll be first spending RM1.8k nett on fully adjustable hi/lo and hard/soft coilovers from TiTAN with complete optimum tuned settings this june. Next i'll be upgrading my stock clutch to Exedy racing clutch. These 2 will be my next upgrading project that will commence in June. I'll be getting my clutch set from HMS in ZTH:
See complete round organic clutch set for Mira.
Exedy Clutch