Magnet will make my car fly?

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10 yrs back i put magnets on the oil filter but never on fuel line... i've tuned many cars, i will tell the owner to throw it away or give ur kid to play.... or u can stuff it somewhere "private" LOL
 

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tis remind me of product named microcompressor, second intake, bla bla bla...really funny when i saw in some local car magazine ads.
 

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Ok. Since 5115 give me green light, I will share another type of product that do not save fuel NOR increase power.

Its the... jejejengg... Voltage stabilizer & Ground Cables. *duck* *duck* (somebody throw shoe at me) Hahaha.

But seriously, this product I know it by the details of the molecules inside it. I just hope after saying this, those VS merchant wont come throw red paint at my house nia.
Here comes the hurtful truth.

VOLTAGE STABILIZER
What it is? - Its just a box with very basic electronics components on it - capacitors. These capacitors have reasonably big values (around 2200uF or above each pieces). What people do not know is, there is already a bigger capacitor in your car. It is so damn big that I think the value is somewhere around 1000 Farads. (not sure really). Where is this big capacitor? - You guessed it - its the Car battery lah!

Now imagine this. You got 1000 Farads of capacitance, then you add 0.002200 Farad more. What you get? yes. 1000.0022 Farad. Wow. That makes a lot of change? LOL!

Secondly, your onboard ECU does not require any additional regulation. Simply because it already have power supply stabilizing circuit inside it.

Someone would be sayingg: "Eh wait, they actually have graphs showing the noise is filtered after put the capacitor wor". That is true. But the high frequency noise that is caused by firing of plugs radiates EVERYWHERE. Not only through the wires. By just sticking the VS at the battery, of course the noise is reduced, but at battery terminals only. But what for? The battery isnt doing anything except supplying current and voltage (ie power). If you have a digital oscilloscope, you can put the VS at battery, and the you measure at the ECU supply pin. You'll be surprise how many noise is coming in. (But no problem since internal of ECU already have a noise suppressor - manufacturer already cater for this).

Some other person would be saying: "Eh wait.. but i really feel got power wor".. There you go, placebo effect again. I have done a test with VS famous brand (***censored***) and there is no difference. To test it, I ask my buddy to choose by himself either one, but don't tell me:
i) Put in the VS
ii) Take out the VS
We do this for 5 times and after he completed he just let me drive the car. All 5 times I have not noticed ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

GROUND CABLES.
(Boy, am I gonna get in trouble for this part! LOL!)
For new cars, don't bother, unless you like the colorful wires appearance in your engine bay.

What is the purpose of ground cables?
Just to ground all the working parts to virtual earth (ie 0V with respect to the battery voltage). All parts at your engine bay area, (like solenoids (for vtec,AT gbox, lamp,aircon compressor,etc)) are given power supply so the return route is the ground cables. If your car is new, then the ground cables should work just fine. But if your car is old, the grounding cables maybe already rusted and its resistance increased. So the power supply given is lesser since the virtual earth is no longer 0V w.r.t. battery -ve terminal. Maybe we have something like 13V when engine is running (since 1V drop in the rusty cable). So the car performance will be diminished by this. Lamp also not bright as new already, and etc.
And since batt voltage is down, so does the sparking timing and voltage - hence engine not properly combusted.

What the cables does is just to RESTORE (not increase) the car's performance. but since the change goes up, you will recognize it as increase power. Which is not. For eg, if new car, the performance is +5. Then after a while, rusty cable causes it to reduce till +4. Chg cable, it restores it to +5. That's all. No increase of power, no reduce in fuel consumption.

Ok, now shoot me. LOL!
You know, youre actually a pretty smart guy, what you say makes 110% sense, grounding cables and voltage stabilisers has NOTHING to do with increasing power at all. It just as you say, restores or improves the electrical system by a fraction.

I would say the grounding cables work better on older cars where grounding isnt as good as modern cars :rolleyes:

Hey but doncityz, chill lah when you share. I mean really, every sentence is filled with anger and im sure other memebers can read feel too... You make sense but just chill haha :biggrin:
 

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Pls don't say Im smart etc. Im just learning and continue to learn as I go. THere probably smarter guys out there.

But yeah.. I like to sound harsh in my posts. Sorry. :biggrin:
 

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What the cables does is just to RESTORE (not increase) the car's performance. but since the change goes up, you will recognize it as increase power. Which is not. For eg, if new car, the performance is +5. Then after a while, rusty cable causes it to reduce till +4. Chg cable, it restores it to +5. That's all. No increase of power, no reduce in fuel consumption.

Ok, now shoot me. LOL!
same la for engine oils. it does not increase power, it restores power. same for exhaust mods, it merely restore the lost power from a poor/old exhaust system. the same for brake upgrades, it does not increase braking power, it only allows full gripping (stopping) capability or your tyres. :proud:
 

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wow donz... u must have studied e&e at uni rite? i agree with u on all that u have stated.... what ever u stated sumwhat close to all the electronic lab testing i used to do... bravo!
 

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same la for engine oils. it does not increase power, it restores power. same for exhaust mods, it merely restore the lost power from a poor/old exhaust system. the same for brake upgrades, it does not increase braking power, it only allows full gripping (stopping) capability or your tyres. :proud:
Correction - exhaust mods if done correctly by corrective tuning, it unleashes the full potential of the engine, hence there will be slight increase in torque & hp. Oem exhaust setups are designed to suppress noise and filter toxic gasses from the engine and provide as best mileage as possible. they were never a performance product unless its aftermarket.

Upgrading brakes applies as well, bigger rotor, slotted/cross-drilled, bigger calipers, more pots, steel braided hoses, brake pump...etc, if done correctly, it should increase the braking torque hence increase in braking power or, "more bite" in layman terms.

IMO, if most things just restores standard power of the car, then alot of aftermarket brands are just lies.
 

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5115, I never use magnet before.

Abt 7 years back (while I was young and naive), I also tempted. The only conjob thing I bought is the Stromberg. RM199 WTF!?

Not only there is no difference, but the bugger even introduce some noise to my FM sumore. LOL!!

But as you grow more and learn more about cars (and not limited to local scene), you tend to wise up and do a research before actually buying any of these craps.

For those who get fuel improvement using magnet: Let me tell you, it is NOT the magnet. It is a psychological/placebo effect. You anticipated the existance of the magnet in your car hence expecting the results of better fuel consumption. Your brain is telling you, unconciously, to be at ease with the pedal. And it shows finally in lower fuel consumption.

I have done this test. I have not put anything inside my car. Normal driving I get around 270km per RM35. But for one week I did a less pressing at the pedal a bit during all of my driving. Hey presto. I got 310km per RM35. Thats all it takes, your WILL to save fuel.

There is another hot product that does nothing to your fuel consumption/power too. But I think if i state it here, people would be furious, cry daddy cry mommy liao. Hahahaa
This is very old debate, few years ago I was curious, smashed a couple of hardisk and put the magnets to the fueline and mechanical fuel pumps, and it actually have some different at the low end torque, the respond improved. Maybe it was me or my butt phsycology problem, so I test my frens' butt too, they too tell me either with or without the magnets in my car, as well as their cars, it actaully have a slight different. It really does works, but it canot smoke a car nor a half length with it, but it just works.

Well, its kinda a waste to share these facts with wannabes who always wanna shoot ppl, they think they are supercars engineers, heheh. FUNNY:rofl:
 

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Btw, engine oil memang does not increase power but it does ensure the smoothness of the engine so it can perform at its optimum be it under massive stress like races or daily driving. A good brand should assure quality and a happy healthy engine =)
 

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doncityz,i agree that not all fuel saving product/device make big diff in fc/power.it would be great if you could share with us what is that & why it didn't work with some proof/review.

no worry bro,no people get furious or cry for daddy here,AFAIK there is only 1 person jumping his leg here.
Mr 51yrs oldie guy, are you in the field of automotive engineering RnD ? Which division, what year to what year, in what car company? Hotwheels ?

Some things does have effects, but not practical. A cow's a cow, but seems like u take a cow as a dog. LOL. Keep on shootin, wannabie old man! And yes your VIOS is a SUPERCAR.....
 
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Mr 51yrs oldie guy, are you in the field of automotive engineering RnD ? Which division, what year to what year, in what car company? Hotwheels ?

Some things does have effects, but not practical. A cow's a cow, but seems like u take a cow as a dog. LOL. Keep on shootin, wannabie old man! And yes your VIOS is a SUPERCAR.....
:stupid::stupid::stupid:
 

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dude dorift0, i think you need not to refer other ppl by their age, its somewhat insulting and have no respect for other public users without knowing them personally
 

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Just out of curiosity, does dorift0 related to the famous person which being banned for dunno how many times? they sounded alike...
 

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Pls don't say Im smart etc. Im just learning and continue to learn as I go. THere probably smarter guys out there.

But yeah.. I like to sound harsh in my posts. Sorry. :biggrin:
Dont get me wrong ar, I said your SMART not the SMARTEST :rolleyes:. Im just noticing you do research and not just buy-use-then-regret method...

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Mr 51yrs oldie guy, are you in the field of automotive engineering RnD ? Which division, what year to what year, in what car company? Hotwheels ?

Some things does have effects, but not practical. A cow's a cow, but seems like u take a cow as a dog. LOL. Keep on shootin, wannabie old man! And yes your VIOS is a SUPERCAR.....
Pfft, and you? Im sure you must be a leading technician at a very reputable company to leave VERY smart comments like these! After all, nobody is smarter and can challenge your capacity of knowledge right?

And vios-wise... I hate to admit it, they can own alot of old cars stock standard :biggrin:. However, its ugly (TOTALLY no offence to owners, just not a fan) compared to older cars, so yes, suck it up dorift0 :rolleyes:
 

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Mr 51yrs oldie guy, are you in the field of automotive engineering RnD ? Which division, what year to what year, in what car company? Hotwheels ?

Some things does have effects, but not practical. A cow's a cow, but seems like u take a cow as a dog. LOL. Keep on shootin, wannabie old man! And yes your VIOS is a SUPERCAR.....
Welcome back :wavey:

I don't which statement of mine makes you think in that way,anyway I know it's hard for you to get over what happened but options were given & you choose to make it this way...

We will miss you,bye~:rofl: