How to fix rusty car roof with cheapest price!Maybe DIY?

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I was really upset when I see my Nissan Sentra roofing started got rust,it form a small bubbles(pimpers) shape like before got rust water came out from under the coated paint....Does anybody know how to get it fix?..Thanks!
 
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some ppl said use fiber and remove gum...and repaint..

some ppl say buy new..

i have the same problem and still thinking which method to use. most likely change a new one :)
 

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guess we all fall under the same roof here...

hmmm .. will it be street legal to change the roof?? or another option i was thinking is fixing a sunroof ( so the rusted part is cut out ) depends on where the rust is..

but anyway .. im still in a dilemma. :(
 

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remove paint, remove rust by grinding till seeing shiny metal. paint anti rust, patch rust hole with f/glass kit, sanding surface, apply filler, apply stopper, paint primer, sanding work, paint base coat, paint color coat,. polish surface until it blend with surounding paint colour.

Easy or hard?
 

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well, it's not hard. It's the recommended way, by professional. Our local repairman hardly follow such steps.
 

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HMMM ../ that explains why they keep cummin up again even after respraying da roof..
 

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remove the old paint 1st.......then 'gosok' the rust part on the roof.....

after tat use fibre...

gosok,simen n spray...

i think is like tis....i done mine las time.....:_:
 

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wow.. sad thing
rust is the thing i hate most in car problem

is the car still under warranty?
 

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Hello!Good morning,everybody!Ya,I did asked before one western guy from US,who reconstruct his old Mustang,and below are the emails he reply me :

Tee,My solution on the Mustang was not easy or cheap, but I couldn't think of a better solution. If you are going to keep the Sentra for a long time, replacing the roof is the best answer. If you only want to keep it for 2-3 years, you can just have it sanded, filled with Bondo and put a vinyl top on it. That would be cheap and you could do it yourself. It would look good, but it wouldn't be a good long term solution.

Good luck.

Harry"

" Best of luck with the roof. Replacing the roof is a very big deal and difficult to do correctly. If you have to replace your roof, make sure you find qualified shop to do the work. In the US, it cost me about $1400 to replace the roof and that did not include the paint. I put the vinyl on myself.
The best glue for your top idea would be contact cement, not superglue. Do you have 3M Super77 spray adhesive in Malaysia? 3M brand makes very good spray glues for that type of work.

Best of luck, I hope it works out for you. Thank you for the Mustang photos.

Harry "




Ken Yeang,Thanks for your great sharing ideas...!Could you please tell me what kind of "brand" is commonly use for these items? (1) Anti rust paint (2) Fiber glass kit (3) Filler (4)Stopper and (5) primer paint ?Is there any accessories shop could get it?Thanks for reply!
 
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There is almost no brand in the common anti rust paint. The mid range one is from Nippon paint. It's a red-oxide paint for anti rust purpose. Good paint as it is easy to apply compared to other common anti rust. Dries well and produce good finish.

Fiber glass kit -I know that BONDO is a good brand. It's made from US and it has been used in car and boat repair. From comparison with local f/glass dealer/seller that sell in bulk, the BONDO fiberglass kit is a bit costly( due to exchange curency rate), but the product is high grade. I find the quality better and finish product is stiffer (or it just me?). The kit comes with fiber matt, harderner and resin. Comes in two sizes. All items can be bought saparately if you needed extra.

Filler is a material that local repairman called "tanah", used to fill up low spots when repairing body panel dents. They comes with different brand, and color. Some use harderner and some don't. I use normal filler that comes in a can, called NEXA (I think). Cost abt 14 bucks.

Stopper -is actual a creamier version of filler. It function as a final surfacer to mask tiny pores left from filler work. Some don't use them as they prefer sanding the filler with finer grade sand paper. The result produce is almost the same. NEXA also produce stopper. U can also substitute stopper by using base coat paint. Use white color is preferable. They are matt in colour and use as intermidiate before color coat is applied They provide a sticking surface between filler/stopper and the color coat. Many base coat is also recognized as primer paint oso, depending on the formula of the paint.

Assesories shop do not sell paint work prep product. They sell paint protection/enhancement product. Anyway, good hardware shops should carry the items I've mentioned. If u live in klang valley, u should visit ACE hardware store. They have pretty good and specialised products. If not buying the products, reading the label/instruction can teach u many things...
 

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Thanks a lot Ken Yeang!

Thanks Ken!You are very kind and helpful!These are all very good information and ideas...I would do it by my self as if the roof getting more worst!Thanks a lot!

Best regards!

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can anyone enlighten myself n the mass public that how in the hell most of the rust appears on the roof of the car?? any counter measures for this??

if i were to send my car for roof repair where is the best place for quality workmanship in penang???

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Kennethfong, Are you refering to new car or used car?

New cars very seldom have rust problem unless there were glitches happened at the asembly line/production line. Reputable car company would recall such "problem' car and offer free repair.

Used car always have "surprises". depending on the car's history and the owner's care taking towards the car. When car involved in accident, most owners would do the easiest way out. Repair the car with the bare minimum cost and later sell of the car. With minimum budget, repairman will definitely cut corners, preparation work before car body spray will not done properly. Rust or dirt etc are not rid off 100% at that point. In matter of 2-3 years rust /paint prob comes back under the paintwork - this mostly occured to the unsuspecting new car owner....so kesian


of course, there are other posibilities that could contribute to rust occurance.....kennethfong, but at this point i can't help u more.....as I do not know the nature of your car...
 

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teearts said:
I was really upset when I see my father's Nissan Sentra roofing started got rust,it form a small pimpers shape like before got rust water come out from it....Does anybody know how to get it fix?..Thanks!
i can help u get it fix for 200 (not including repaint..)- using fibre.. somewhere in banting klang can come and see 1st.. if satisfy then ok.. good workshp specialized in convert sunroof.. pm me if u want
 

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I sense Entrepreneurship here oredi.........anyway, happy repairing and happy doing business
 

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hi..

tee ,

so are u gonna DIY this project. perhaps people like me would like to see and get some ideas on how u actually do it ..i mean the practical part instead of the theory and facts that is stated above.

perhaps a get together session... ?


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Thanks Ken!You are very kind and helpful!These are all very good information and ideas...I would do it by my self as if the roof getting more worst!Thanks a lot!

Best regards!

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bumpin in for the day.. any1 tried out the method already ?

hey ary ? its rm200 (depends on condition) or standard pricing ?
 

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Good morning!Guys.I will sure let you know when I have ready to fix my Nissan rusting car roof.One of my friend's Wira having the same problem too,he recommended me using WD40,or any lubricant oil which is rust cure and protect.He use the lubricant to spray onto the painted roof surface,then using cloth to polish until it spread even the whole surface.He said this perhaps could be help to stop the rust process,and we both trying it now.In fact the owner before me had sent my Sentra to the workshop before,they grind it and repaint,unfortunately after half a year I brought it over,the pimples shape emboss again clearly on the paint surface.Kenneth Fong,This rusting incident could be happened is because of the manufacturing failure!They using those glu which contain salty ingrediant,to stick the cushion and ceiling stuffs where underneath the roof metal,these glu got too strong chemical reaction until it cause the metal become rust from inside the metal,mean the rust is started from inside but not from outside the roof metal!My neighbour's Wira got such same rusty problem too,one of his friend who once worked for Proton told him about the glu.He said Proton had wrongly brought in a huge volumn of those glu,and the rust will only started make effect after few years time,so they just ignore and finished using these glus.Perhaps new generation of Proton car won't have these problem.However,this is just what he claim,maybe just a rumour,I am not sure and nobody know.This is why I want to try WD40 first,see weather the rusty metal can absorb the oil and stop the rust process,if it is getting worst again...I would do something.Thanks Ary4145!I will keep you in mind.One More Thing,are you guys also driving Nissan Sentra and having these rusty problem?I had email Nissan Japan before,they did reply me and ask Tan Chong Motor in KL to contact me.But Tan Chong called and asking me for the service record and want to take a look for the car,unfortunately these are all not F.O.C.and I think they will just send over to their contract mechanic shop and get it fix,perhaps not cheap too!So I just put it aside first for temporary.What I think is,if all of you having such same problem to your Nissan car,can we form a Nissan Club and complain to Nissan Japan,asking them to make a campaign to fix for all of us with F.O.C.?This is sound humiliate but if the club is strong enough?Anything can be happened in this world,as Nissan have to maintain their good reputation as well!Anyway,just an idea of mine...Here below is an email reply from Nissan Japan Co.(email :postoffice@nissan.co.jp).......Talk to you guys soon!


Tokyo Log No. SV06A25

June 12, 2006

Dear Mr./Ms. Tee Eng Lim:

Thank you for your email dated June 6, 2006, concerning your Nissan
Sentra. First of all, thank you for your patronage of our products.

We regret to hear that you have experienced a problem with the your
Sentra. In regard to your concern we have contacted Edaran Tan Chong
Motor Sdn. Bhd, which represents Nissan in Malaysia. Edaran Tan Chong
Motor Sdn. Bhd is in the best position to address your concern and
handle this matter. A representative from Edaran Tan Chong Motor Sdn.
Bhd should be contacting you to review your case.

Edaran Tan Chong Motor Sdn. Bhd.
21, Kalan Ipoh Kecil
50350 Kuala Lumpur
P. O. Box 10132
50704 Kuala Lumpur
MALAYSIA
TEL: (603) 4047-8788


Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,



Katsumasa INOUE
Assistant Manager
Customer Affairs Group


cc: Edaran Tan Chong Motor Sdn. Bhd
 
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This sounded interesting, knowing that Nissan put in effort to keep their customers happy. Somehow rather, i sense that in reality, things are never ideal. I'm afraid the suggested "campaign" would take a long time before Nissan would consider and to take action abt the rust prob. (BTW, what year is the nissan with rust problem? Has the waranty long expired?)

By the time Nissan really consider a FOC job or partial compensation, this would have probably taken years. Can u bear with such condition on the car?? If the rusty roof left as it is and given the 1 year (assume) waiting time from Nissan, the roof has already bocor and (probably turn into a "convertible"). Not to mention water entry, flooding, spoiling of interior uphostery, incovienience of car use etc......

i don't mean to be discouraging, and I support such action done by Teearts, but I want to remind u that u should prepare for the worst case, or eventualities....
 

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Thanks for your prompt reply and concern,Ken!I got think of this 'Times Of Waiting' issue ofcos,and agreed with you too.Just wonder is there any Nissan Sentra or Nissan Club around in KL or PJ??I think my car has no more waranty,it is 1996 Nissan Sentra 1.6(M),sigh!Haha!And the piston rings are already run out of function,when I go up hill with lower gear,the blue white smoke blow out all over from the back exhaust pipe!Here is another problem have to be solve!Already asked to those mechanic shop,most of them suggest I change the whole engine but not just changing the rings,they told me it is not last longer if I just changing the piston rings!However,this is another topic I going to post in this forum...Thanks again Ken!

Best regards

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well, my father B14 year 1997 also facing the same problem. rust on the roof. 1st time send to the shop, remove rust and gum then respray...after 2 months...the rusty start again, starting with small small dot. then send back to the shop, and then repeat the process again...now waiting to see will it come back again...quite headache problem actually...
 

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waikiki said:
bumpin in for the day.. any1 tried out the method already ?

hey ary ? its rm200 (depends on condition) or standard pricing ?

sorry didnt noticed .. standard price for normal sedan cars.. ill pm u the phone number later.. already misplaced it ..
 

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aight !!

shall wait.
thanks for ur reply ary4145 :)


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sorry didnt noticed .. standard price for normal sedan cars.. ill pm u the phone number later.. already misplaced it ..
 

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Hi there everyone..
Read all of your comments...
I have this little rust problem on my bonnet as well..
A tiny spot. I afraid it'll start to spread if I don't take care of it soon..
So, how much is the average cost to repair the rust spot in KL area?
And I saw teearts's comments on using WD40 on the rust. Does it works? I mean preventing the rust spot from spreading further.

Thanks for the replies.
 

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teearts said:
Thanks Ken!You are very kind and helpful!These are all very good information and ideas...I would do it by my self as if the roof getting more worst!Thanks a lot!

Best regards!

tee

hmm.. since its roof.. i would suggest you to do it asap, when u have free time and materials, cause.. if it goes worst.. its gonna be hard to patch, and roof cancer leaks water = no good for ur interior comfort,
 

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I dunno whether this method works as im still waiting for the result. Just had it fixed mself. I have some rusts appearing on the back door hinges. As i know WD 40 doesnt really works as to avoid rusts you need to cover the metal from air and water. With WD40 spray on the metal its impossible to paint the bare metal and with WD40, its just temporary solution. Correct me if im wrong.

Here is my method. No harm trying.
Ingredients.
1) Water colour paint brush. (small size)
2) Anti rust. Hammerite Kurust Rust Convertor
3) Nail Polish (as near to your car colour)

Preparation

Clean surface by removing all loose paint and rust, dirt, grease and salt. Remove grease. Rinse with clean water and allow time to dry. Possible if thinner + water.



Application

Shake container well and pour required amount into a plastic container.
By brush: apply direct to rusty area, working well into heavily pitted areas, corners and edges. Avoid coating onto painted areas.
Hammerite Kurust will turn blue/black when reacting with rust. If it does not change colour in 1 hour re-apply. Apply topcoat after 3 hours.
Do not replace unused Kurust back into the original container.
 
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Hello!My friends,I am back!This time I really had started to treat the rust onto my Nissan car roof!Thanks to Mr. Let79!I'd follow your steps on how to use Kurust(Hammerite).Hope this method is going to work!We will wait for the result and see.Stay tune!

(p/s:I would insert some images to show to you guys.Hope this will help you up!)...PLEASE CLICK the link below : Saving Nissan Sentra
 
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Hello!My friends,I am back!This time I really had started to treat the rust onto my Nissan car roof!Thanks to Mr. Let79!I'd follow your steps on how to use Kurust(Hammerite).Hope this method is going to work!We will wait for the result and see.Stay tune!

(p/s:I would insert some images to show to you guys.Hope this will help you up!)...PLEASE CLICK the link below : Saving Nissan Sentra

Dear Tee,

Good luck in your project.

Well, i have got some good news for you. It has been nearly 6 months now and it seems that the method used on my car is effective so far.

Just dont forget to repaint the open rust after treatment by any mean possible. As for the roof, i would recomend to use the paint made for high temperature as the roof is directly exposed to hot sun. Car paint should be fine as they are made to withstand harsh condition and they mends to metal very well. But i used only nail polish and build up the paint, layer by layer and avoid one thick coat.


Thanks..
 

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Thank you,Let79!Perhaps I will use nail polish as well, before I find any good car paint!Smart of you, like MacGyver, the hero in the TV series.Here I have MSN : teearts@hotmail.com & YM : teearts2@yahoo.com .If you have online chatting, please just add me! Thanks! Have a great weekend!

Tee.
 
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Hi,

It has been a year already since i last fix the rust on the hinges of my Nissan AD Resort and so far i have not seen the recurrence of the rust. I guess the problem has been fixed.

I have another new project on my car. Im getting blister on roof as well and will use the same method on it. Will start my project maybe by end of this week and will update the results to u guys.

By the way, for those who just came in can check on the link below for further details
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...car-roof-with-cheapest-price-maybe-diy-3.html

Thanks

Lim
 

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Now onli i found this thread.
Any comment if i already put normal antirust that bought from normal hardware shop? RM10 that kind? it stated Cat Pencegah Karat Primer.
I am in the mid of repairing my roof cancer. some of the spot i cannot sand paper them. but i just force the antirust to go in. will it last or i should buy rust convertor to reaply?
 

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Kurust(Hammerite) can get from certain ACE hardware shops. Call them up before you visit the shop, they may out of stock sometime!
 
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ACE hardware available only at KL:bawling: im from penang...

Try using "Colgate","Darlie" or any toothpaste!! I am not fool around with you, Mr. Muskasim. You see, the main cause of the metal rust is toxic glue, which mean the glue got acidic ingredient in it. So, is that possible we use something contenting with 'alkaline' to make it back to normal or balance? I got this idea b4 I'm using Kurust, but since I'd found this product in KL, so I just use it. Anyway, surely would share with you guys if any idea came accross in my mind later. Take care, brother!

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hey guys, any updates or pics??

how u all drill da rusty part?? use sand paper to smoothen it or ??
 

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Ya! I use those soldering gun and stick to covered up the tiny hole. You guys got what I mean? I can't take the pic as I did it in the mechanic workshop. Stay tune!
 

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i got 20 ++ rust spot on my roof, after i treated with normal sanding, and just put normal antirust primer. got 1 rust spot come back to visit me. :( and when i sand it and try to clean it with a test pen. it become a hole. :( :(

I went to mudguard guy, grind it and put those soldering led on it to cover it, directly put base coat. not sure can last or not.

will update after 3 months. cheers...
 

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yloon, how much u paid for that job?? im still deciding whether want to change the whole roof or repair it. The spot that come to visit u izzit from the same spot or new spot?
 

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i have a 'soft 99 rust convert' is new. good for repair rust area.
anyone interest D.I.Y for rust area, and interest with this rust convert can pm me.
thk.

Bump: i have a 'soft 99 rust convert' is new. good for repair rust area.
anyone interest D.I.Y for rust area, and interest with this rust convert can pm me.
thk.
 

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sifus..

right now im doing this so called DIY roof paint job.

ive done;
1.sand paper the roof.
2.remove the rust.(outside,until hole was found)
3.remove rust(inside,scrap the glue and spray WD40,will look for hammerite when i come down to ACE in PJ)
4.fill the holes with fibre+hardener.
5.sand paper the fibre to smoothen the surface.

my Q now is,
1.what should i do next?iz it pour the nexa (N/C hard putty)?how to put it?i oredi buy the putty.

please advise.
 

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I did mine a year ago,

1. Remove rust until see the hole
2. Remove all damn glue.
3. Apply "Hammerite Kurust" on rusty area, wait until it dry then apply again.
4. Send my car to weld the hole area, apply some Kurust on weld area.
5. Paint Kurust area with 'Hammerite Direct To Rust Metal Paint'

Both of this items and be found at ACE Hardware.
Too bad I live in Penang, I got this from EBAY.

Result until now no problem,. :)
normally u will see rust few months later if u let painter shop to repair rust.
 

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I hope this thread is not dead yet.

I have similar problem;

1. Few DEEP blisters rust hole only on front side of the roof
2. Random rust pattern on bonnet (or hood)
3. Hard car paint crack below fuel tank opening (might be paint corrosion because of petrol spill)

After doing some researches, I found out it's common paint problem (blister/rust) for proton car around year 2000 and earlier.

1. Which one is the best option? Replace roof, Replace roof to sunroof, or DIY?
2. I dunno what to do with 2nd problem. Change bonnet(hood)?
3. Should I patch it and paint whole body?

I need sifus recommendation/price estimation for these problems. I'm not sure whether to invest money on this 11-years-old Satria 1.3GLi (M) or save up the money for a new car. hmm maybe some experience people here could share some advice.