Finally getting rid of my 4g13

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So I finally got fed up with my engine. NOT because it has no power, like seriously it was fun having to drive around town and not worrying about fuel in this little engine. But its been costing me unnecessary expenses. So I've made up my mind to disregard the small cc and op for something worthwhile. I plan to go with a 4g91, but then I heard people saying 1.3 chassis can go for 1.6 engine. That being the case, if lady luck is at my side, might as well go on a treasure hunt for a 4G92 mivec. But the question is, what basic stuff should I look for when purchasing this 1.6 monster, and what should I do before I put it in the car (overhaul, etc). Mod ideas also welcome :laugh::laugh::adore:.

Side note: Can anyone tell me, if it is possible to get a 4g91 block and fit it with a 92 mivec head? Or will it have troubles in terms of tuning and stuff?
 

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So I finally got fed up with my engine. NOT because it has no power, like seriously it was fun having to drive around town and not worrying about fuel in this little engine. But its been costing me unnecessary expenses. So I've made up my mind to disregard the small cc and op for something worthwhile. I plan to go with a 4g91, but then I heard people saying 1.3 chassis can go for 1.6 engine. That being the case, if lady luck is at my side, might as well go on a treasure hunt for a 4G92 mivec. But the question is, what basic stuff should I look for when purchasing this 1.6 monster, and what should I do before I put it in the car (overhaul, etc). Mod ideas also welcome :laugh::laugh::adore:.

Side note: Can anyone tell me, if it is possible to get a 4g91 block and fit it with a 92 mivec head? Or will it have troubles in terms of tuning and stuff?
I dunno about the rojak wizardry of Mivec headswaps but there's a couple of thing you'll need to consider when you do this swap :

- Availability of part. Mivec parts are getting rarer these days and I wonder if it's still possible to find all engine new parts from the shop.
- Why not consider 4G91 then do a proper turbo setup? Might be slightly cheaper than finding a Mivec engine (with repairs). More power too.
- Don't forget about suspension and brakes upgrades. A 4 pot brake front, 2 pot rear might not be a bad idea, also don't forget to upgrade the brake master pump. Decent coilovers to handle the extra power too.
- Sounds like your 4G13 has done a lot of hard corners and twisties and turns. Since you're gonna go all out might as well fix up dents and dings and repaint and fix rusty bits and parts.
- Bigger wheels perhaps? 16" or just wider 15" tyres?
- These days standalone ECUs are getting more affordable. Ancient 4 cylinder engines can be easily managed by entry to mid level ECUs so they aren't too bad in terms of cost. The tuner is important though and what you want from the car is crucial too.

Best thing to do is find a reputable and trustworthy mech/tuner/all-in-one shop and let them handle everything unless you plan to do it in your house. If you have friends who are reputable mechs and know their stuff, better to let them handle everything from the engine sourcing to the swapping to the tuning one shot. That way at least you know who to go back to for troubleshooting.
 
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So I finally got fed up with my engine. NOT because it has no power, like seriously it was fun having to drive around town and not worrying about fuel in this little engine. But its been costing me unnecessary expenses. So I've made up my mind to disregard the small cc and op for something worthwhile. I plan to go with a 4g91, but then I heard people saying 1.3 chassis can go for 1.6 engine. That being the case, if lady luck is at my side, might as well go on a treasure hunt for a 4G92 mivec. But the question is, what basic stuff should I look for when purchasing this 1.6 monster, and what should I do before I put it in the car (overhaul, etc). Mod ideas also welcome :laugh::laugh::adore:.

Side note: Can anyone tell me, if it is possible to get a 4g91 block and fit it with a 92 mivec head? Or will it have troubles in terms of tuning and stuff?
I agree with bro Izso, better not Frankenstein parts, just get half cut transfer over...... :driver:
 

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I dunno about the rojak wizardry of Mivec headswaps but there's a couple of thing you'll need to consider when you do this swap :

- Availability of part. Mivec parts are getting rarer these days and I wonder if it's still possible to find all engine new parts from the shop.
- Why not consider 4G91 then do a proper turbo setup? Might be slightly cheaper than finding a Mivec engine (with repairs). More power too.
- Don't forget about suspension and brakes upgrades. A 4 pot brake front, 2 pot rear might not be a bad idea, also don't forget to upgrade the brake master pump. Decent coilovers to handle the extra power too.
- Sounds like your 4G13 has done a lot of hard corners and twisties and turns. Since you're gonna go all out might as well fix up dents and dings and repaint and fix rusty bits and parts.
- Bigger wheels perhaps? 16" or just wider 15" tyres?
- These days standalone ECUs are getting more affordable. Ancient 4 cylinder engines can be easily managed by entry to mid level ECUs so they aren't too bad in terms of cost. The tuner is important though and what you want from the car is crucial too.

Best thing to do is find a reputable and trustworthy mech/tuner/all-in-one shop and let them handle everything unless you plan to do it in your house. If you have friends who are reputable mechs and know their stuff, better to let them handle everything from the engine sourcing to the swapping to the tuning one shot. That way at least you know who to go back to for troubleshooting.
Wah! 4 pot front, 2 pot rear, no ABS will lock easily, right? My VR only 2 pot front, original 1 pot rear, the rear still locks even with normal pads only....lol
 

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Wah! 4 pot front, 2 pot rear, no ABS will lock easily, right? My VR only 2 pot front, original 1 pot rear, the rear still locks even with normal pads only....lol
Satria 1.3 where got ABS one. Anyway wanna go might as well go overkill. Hehehe... 2 pot front enough ah? Ok la maybe you're not too fast a driver or you have mastered engine braking. Or maybe you're Initial-D punya God-Foot
 

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Satria 1.3 where got ABS one. Anyway wanna go might as well go overkill. Hehehe... 2 pot front enough ah? Ok la maybe you're not too fast a driver or you have mastered engine braking. Or maybe you're Initial-D punya God-Foot
My 2 pot transferred from original VR4 half cut with twin layer servo, is good enough for me, maybe not for track but with the 800 deg pads maybe still can ....lol
 

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I dunno about the rojak wizardry of Mivec headswaps but there's a couple of thing you'll need to consider when you do this swap :

- Availability of part. Mivec parts are getting rarer these days and I wonder if it's still possible to find all engine new parts from the shop.
- Why not consider 4G91 then do a proper turbo setup? Might be slightly cheaper than finding a Mivec engine (with repairs). More power too.
- Don't forget about suspension and brakes upgrades. A 4 pot brake front, 2 pot rear might not be a bad idea, also don't forget to upgrade the brake master pump. Decent coilovers to handle the extra power too.
- Sounds like your 4G13 has done a lot of hard corners and twisties and turns. Since you're gonna go all out might as well fix up dents and dings and repaint and fix rusty bits and parts.
- Bigger wheels perhaps? 16" or just wider 15" tyres?
- These days standalone ECUs are getting more affordable. Ancient 4 cylinder engines can be easily managed by entry to mid level ECUs so they aren't too bad in terms of cost. The tuner is important though and what you want from the car is crucial too.

Best thing to do is find a reputable and trustworthy mech/tuner/all-in-one shop and let them handle everything unless you plan to do it in your house. If you have friends who are reputable mechs and know their stuff, better to let them handle everything from the engine sourcing to the swapping to the tuning one shot. That way at least you know who to go back to for troubleshooting.
i see. Parts wise im still testing my luck and asking around regarding the mivec stuff. So far manage to get cam and injectors (if that will make any difference). But overall the 4g91 turbo is in consideration since you mentioned it. Will keep this thread active as much as I can whilst im sourcing for parts.
 

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Add more...
  • upgrade full exhaust system... stainless steel preferred
  • 1.3 has no power window... change the door trim and upgrade to power window
I've already done my exhaust. Everything except the tabung is stock. its bloody small if you ask me and sounds dope. idle you dont hear anything, slow speeds also.
but my satria got power window... i wonder why.. the classic window button at the side of the e-brake :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

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I agree with bro Izso, better not Frankenstein parts, just get half cut transfer over...... :driver:
Upgrade brake pads and suspension first.
if you get full halfcut mivec its already include full set caliper.
mivec price keras than gsr than evo. 6 yrs ago i opt for gsr.
Evo cannot endorsed.

Anyway i cant see how deep ur pocket, @Izso way is one shot kasi "up" hahaha...
 

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Okay, i got someone who sent me a 4g92 mivec engine. But what appears to be the issue is the engine auto.
 

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If engine only forget it, better off getting half cut then transfer whatever that can come over. Like explained by bro. Izso, buy piece by piece, will be more expensive and need everything to fit proper.....
 

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dude this is gonna cost you a small fortune.

Engine only : RM3500
Engine swap and refresh : RM???
Gearbox : RM????
ECU : RM4xxxx

By the time you're done spending all this money you'd have your ass handed over by a BOT 4G91 anyway.
Here is one for sale

 

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91 engines have gone up in price suddenly. I remember finding them for as cheap as 1.8k before first MCO. Anyways notes taken, still searching for a halfcut 4g92 but at the same time a 91 set and a turbo as a backup plan.

Quick question: is it that the 92 mivec cannot be endorsed on a 1.3 body because its 'mivec'?
 

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91 engines have gone up in price suddenly. I remember finding them for as cheap as 1.8k before first MCO. Anyways notes taken, still searching for a halfcut 4g92 but at the same time a 91 set and a turbo as a backup plan.

Quick question: is it that the 92 mivec cannot be endorsed on a 1.3 body because its 'mivec'?
huh.. 30% increase is your max. They don't care mivec or not. 4G92 is a 1.6L so 1.3 + 30% capacity is approximately 1.7L so plenty of space for your upgrade.
 
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91 engines have gone up in price suddenly. I remember finding them for as cheap as 1.8k before first MCO. Anyways notes taken, still searching for a halfcut 4g92 but at the same time a 91 set and a turbo as a backup plan.

Quick question: is it that the 92 mivec cannot be endorsed on a 1.3 body because its 'mivec'?
Remember to upgrade suspension and brakes....lol
 

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91 engines have gone up in price suddenly. I remember finding them for as cheap as 1.8k before first MCO. Anyways notes taken, still searching for a halfcut 4g92 but at the same time a 91 set and a turbo as a backup plan.

Quick question: is it that the 92 mivec cannot be endorsed on a 1.3 body because its 'mivec'?
Go halfcut search. Take ur time. This thing cannot rush or u end up too many rojak ideas.
Go for 92 mivec. Price also keras.
If rojak total to that amount of 92 mivec, no point rojak.
 
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Go halfcut search. Take ur time. This thing cannot rush or u end up too many rojak ideas.
Go for 92 mivec. Price also keras.
If rojak total to that amount of 92 mivec, no point rojak.
Rojak scare some parts not matching, probably need more tuning too. Halfcut all just transfer over....lol
 

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Go halfcut search. Take ur time. This thing cannot rush or u end up too many rojak ideas.
Go for 92 mivec. Price also keras.
If rojak total to that amount of 92 mivec, no point rojak.
for sure.. the hunt for the 92mivec is still ongoing. as mentioned previously, will try my best to keep this thread active as much as i can..
 

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Update on the thread,
for now im just sourcing some other parts like radiator, suspension and better brakes. Have posted in various groups asking if this engine can be found. Hunt is still ongoing
 

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i also need to know this. How and where do we check to see this line to identify what engine we are dealing with, and what about the 92 series engines?
Make friends with your mech and get him to help you check (assuming he knows how to identify). The problem with halfcuts is you'll never know what you're going to get and how much will be needed to fix up the engine before transplanting.
 
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i also need to know this. How and where do we check to see this line to identify what engine we are dealing with, and what about the 92 series engines?
this can only tell you what head it has. On the head, right infront, just over the extractors.... if i remember correctly on its right (facing the car)

block u pandai pandailah....

i hope you know what ur doing, i didnt mention this earlier but i believe one of the links posted by you was that of a newer generation engine, which means its not practical to put into the older protons. thats why its cheaper, cause not much demand.
**take note the newer gen 4g cannot rojak with the older gen parts, its 'terbalik'
 
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this can only tell you what head it has. On the head, right infront, just over the extractors.... if i remember correctly on its right (facing the car)

block u pandai pandailah....

i hope you know what ur doing, i didnt mention this earlier but i believe one of the links posted by you was that of a newer generation engine, which means its not practical to put into the older protons. thats why its cheaper, cause not much demand.
**take note the newer gen 4g cannot rojak with the older gen parts, its 'terbalik'
Understood, take your advice also. I'm making sure the engine is from the CK or a mirage itself la to save me the headache.
 

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Understood, take your advice also. I'm making sure the engine is from the CK or a mirage itself la to save me the headache.
ck is the 'terbalik later gen ya'
mirage refers to the whole range older and newer range...

the engines look diferent, should be easy to tell apart
 
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