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Hmm,if 4WD need drift,sure need highspeed lorr
bcs 4Wd car very good grip 1 worr...
I donno also lahh,no see any 4WD drift before...but 4wd drift will hurt 4WD sub 1 i think
 

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but rally cars all 4WD 1 rite? I c the japan best motoring vcd ah the person drive the evo around the cones he no need brake or wat 1? he juz control the accelerator onli with quite low speed also. 1st gear onli. the car also drift til so nice.
 

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rally kar dont drift ka?

all driving technique applied
entry and exit must fast fast u know
0.1(or lower) sec is very very precious rite
 

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4wd drifting.... need to keep pressing the pedal to initiate and maintain drift i guess? cause only that will break traction and also ways like braking, weight shift....
 

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to do a proper 4wd drift, u need a car that has more torque at the rear wheels that the front... for example a lancer evo...

a skyline GTR also can do 4wd drift coz its much like a FR with AWD capability... and u can do even higher speed drifts on a GTR without spinning out coz the front wheels keep the car in line...
 

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Originally posted by MetalZone+Sep 11 2004, 03:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MetalZone @ Sep 11 2004, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Autoracingsyndicate@Sep 11 2004, 12:35 PM
;) So got anyone in m'sia drift wif 4wd can giv some info o not?ez 2 drift o very very hard??? <_<
try colin mcrae rally 4 [/b][/quote]
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nothing is impossible... AWD can drift its just a matter of set up and technique.

sometimes seeing can be deceiving, lot of taiwanese drifters have change their drivetrain from AWD to RWD simply by taking out the gears for the front wheels.

rally cars are AWD, they do monster drifts on gravel where traction is almost zero. for tarmac just use some chekai tyres for the back and drift all you want. camber setting also must do.

any drive train can drift just practice, practice, practice...
 

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Originally posted by Keng+Sep 13 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Keng @ Sep 13 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-e39a@Sep 13 2004, 02:25 PM
Sifu John has spoken....
dis sifu hasn't :rolleyes: :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
:D Now sifu keng has spoken clearly..... :lol:
 

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Originally posted by Autoracingsyndicate+Sep 13 2004, 05:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Autoracingsyndicate @ Sep 13 2004, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Keng@Sep 13 2004, 04:55 PM
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@Sep 13 2004, 02:25 PM
Sifu John has spoken....

dis sifu hasn't :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D Now sifu keng has spoken clearly..... :lol: [/b][/quote]
i meant e39a ler <_< ........ :D

e39a,
taiko ...long time didn't hear from u ler... :)

signal,
hehehe......i dont' dare ler dude...ders alot of sifu aroudn here... :P
 

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eh... guys don't put me on da table la.... saw with my own eyes one.

have a friend, last time cannot drift at all, drive a AWD perdana.

he keep trying but car keep understeering... told him he need set up mar....
so he put chekai tyres behind, now can drift already lor... slow speed also can wor

e39, whens your turn ar???
 

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signal,
me no sifu.....just noob, like u also la....

keng,
bro, how's life man? long time also never hear from u....i'm now hiding under some coconut shell la...hehe....

lev,
my turn ar? looks like never la.....i've retired...... :(

:)
 

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btw, some 4wd saloons ie:mitsus are based on ff, so they have a tendency for understeering...IMHO,

like subarus, i'd reckon there's less under, and jgtc scoobys are fr, IHMO also la...

dun flame me ok....juz my 0.002yen worth....so not worth it at all....hehe...
 

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Originally posted by e39a@Sep 14 2004, 02:01 PM
btw, some 4wd saloons ie:mitsus are based on ff, so they have a tendency for understeering...IMHO,

like subarus, i'd reckon there's less under, and jgtc scoobys are fr, IHMO also la...

dun flame me ok....juz my 0.002yen worth....so not worth it at all....hehe...
yeap... JGTC scooby's are FR's. all the Celica's there are also FR's.
 

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i think the best drifter in a 4wd is definitely ivan khong. did you guys see him drifting his WRX during the proton SSO events? he came in 2nd place next to zee.

i think he and his bro ian have been drifting for more than 10 years already using toyotas. pity he doesnt have an FR car currently.

and i also think most people have forgotten that his dad yskhong is the original malaysian drifter in the AE86 in the 80's.
 

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Hmm, I read that article b4, so long,...

New generation EVO5 up the power distribution front n rear are 50% - 50%
Not sure about EVO4 and except those has ACD fitted.

Evo 1, 2, n 3, power distribution is 40%-60%

Rally car not really know, some said 30%-70%, to 40%-60%, depends on the race location. That's the trick.
 

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WRC cars run electronic diffs, that can adjust drive depending on conditions.

the current evos also have electronic control over their diffs, and the STi's can adjust manually from front to back.

someone earlier mentioned that 4wd cars like the evo and rex are understeery, which is true. They basically handle like FWD cars, but have a lot more grip, and are easier to recover from "scary situations". But anyways.. the new generation of cars starting even from the evo6 are practically understeer proof.
 

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Originally posted by MetalZone+Sep 14 2004, 19:01 --></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MetalZone @ Sep 14 2004, 19:01 )</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-e39a@Sep 14 2004, 02:01 PM
btw, some 4wd saloons ie:mitsus are based on ff, so they have a tendency for understeering...IMHO,

like subarus, i'd reckon there's less under, and jgtc scoobys are fr, IHMO also la...

dun flame me ok....juz my 0.002yen worth....so not worth it at all....hehe...
yeap... JGTC scooby's are FR's. all the Celica's there are also FR's. [/b][/quote]
All cars in the JGTC are FR, because the rules specify that.
 

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its not that difficult to make a 4WD oversteer. its all in the setup. the difficult part is the owner of the arse that is in the driver's seat.
 

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Originally posted by glee@Sep 16 2004, 10:34
i think the best drifter in a 4wd is definitely ivan khong. did you guys see him drifting his WRX during the proton SSO events? he came in 2nd place next to zee.

i think he and his bro ian have been drifting for more than 10 years already using toyotas. pity he doesnt have an FR car currently.

and i also think most people have forgotten that his dad yskhong is the original malaysian drifter in the AE86 in the 80's.
of course the best and number 1 because there is only one 4wd car
 

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glee: Never realised that the Khong brothers been drifting for that long! I can't imagine the amount of tyres that one goes thru when drifting for over 10 years!:)

I think that all 'JGTC' cars are FR cause with proper set up and aerodynamics ,these cars do not need AWD and not because the rules says so..;)

YS Khong rules!!! It was a pleasure see him stepping the tail out while driving up Cameron in the TVR!
 

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Originally posted by Saint+Sep 16 2004, 22:42 --></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Saint @ Sep 16 2004, 22:42 )</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-glee@Sep 16 2004, 10:34
i think the best drifter in a 4wd is definitely ivan khong. did you guys see him drifting his WRX during the proton SSO events? he came in 2nd place next to zee.

i think he and his bro ian have been drifting for more than 10 years already using toyotas. pity he doesnt have an FR car currently.

and i also think most people have forgotten that his dad yskhong is the original malaysian drifter in the AE86 in the 80's.
of course the best and number 1 because there is only one 4wd car [/b][/quote]
the father sounds a bit like bunta and the son sounds a bitlike takumi... :rolleyes: :lol: :ph34r:
 

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Originally posted by .S K A G E E.@Sep 17 2004, 09:28
glee: Never realised that the Khong brothers been drifting for that long! I can't imagine the amount of tyres that one goes thru when drifting for over 10 years!:)

I think that all 'JGTC' cars are FR cause with proper set up and aerodynamics ,these cars do not need AWD and not because the rules says so..;)

YS Khong rules!!! It was a pleasure see him stepping the tail out while driving up Cameron in the TVR!
skagee.. for JGTC.. the rules say so.you can only enter an FR car.. nothing else, even if you wanted too run AWD you cant. which is why AWD cars like the skyline, and Subaru have to switch to FR.

The rules are there to try to create equal standing. if you have seen JGTC reqs, its very carefully designed to try and create as fair a playing field as possible with so many different type of cars, and manufacturers entering.

If you dont set a rule for drivetrain, you will have FF cars coming in, AWD, FF.. etc. and then it starts to get messy.. so they decided to lock it down as FR.


you still remember the TVR eh? up cameron? i only remember driving up to frasers with YS, and it was raining, and he was drifting the tail out.
 

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Originally posted by Saint@Sep 16 2004, 22:42

of course the best and number 1 because there is only one 4wd car
hi saint,

sure.. it was only 1 awd car. but it was sideways as much as any of the FR cars that day, and more so than a lot of them, and consistently as well.

its not like there was one AWD there, doing badly, and winning a trophy for being the only AWD there. it was open class drifting :)
 

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i agree that AWD cars like subarus tend to understeer more.. i've been through it.. nearly wreaked my legacy.. but came away with only a damaged front bumper and a smashed foglamp..
anyhow, never let go of the accel when drifting an AWD.. that will cause the understeer.. and if it doesn't turn enough, use the sidebrakes.. that helps a bit..
in most cases, AWDs corners faster than the regular FRs when driven properly.. the only problem comes when the tyres wear out.. FRs wear the rear tyres in most cases.. but for an AWD, since all the wheels drive the car, it wears all the tyres out faster..
just my 100yen (RM3.60) worth of thought anyway..
 

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I think the later versions of evos doesn't have those understeer problems. The understeer problems only exist in evo 1,2 and 3. In 4, they start have ayc but then the ayc itself has problems. i think the ayc helps the evo 4 and later gen to have a neutral steer compared to the evo 1,2,3.

mizuchi,

the later version doesn't have that much understeer already.... good improvement from subaru....

my 2 cents worth...
 

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glee: My apologies for the mistake..didn't realised that the Option video I have with the JGTCC was almost ten years old.

And yes it was Frasers ,with Bernard pulling the handbrake of his Iswara at every corner and hairpin.:)
 

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Originally posted by glee@Sep 17 2004, 10:52
skagee.. for JGTC.. the rules say so.you can only enter an FR car.. nothing else, even if you wanted too run AWD you cant. which is why AWD cars like the skyline, and Subaru have to switch to FR.

The rules are there to try to create equal standing. if you have seen JGTC reqs, its very carefully designed to try and create as fair a playing field as possible with so many different type of cars, and manufacturers entering.

If you dont set a rule for drivetrain, you will have FF cars coming in, AWD, FF.. etc. and then it starts to get messy.. so they decided to lock it down as FR.


you still remember the TVR eh? up cameron? i only remember driving up to frasers with YS, and it was raining, and he was drifting the tail out.
Hi Glee,

I'm confused...
Where in this the regulations that they say 4wd is not permitted?
I thought it was more of a choice by the teams to remove the 4wd system and not its because it was not allowed:

http://www.jgtc.net/race/whats/04t_regu_en.htm#drive
 

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As for Ian/Ivan, hopefully the next time around in any drift competition they would get their hands on a proper FR.

The competition of any drifting form in the future should also only support FR cars. as the drift style on 4wd and FR on tarmac is totally different. Therefore giving points to these different layout cars remain very subjective.

As i remember there was an argument about a Sleeper BMW drifing better then Ian with his 4wd back in sso3. some how the BMW drifted better, but the judges prefered 4wd drifts by Ian. You cant compare 4wd with RWD drifts.. its totally different.

Anyway we should keep 4wd Drifting to where it belongs.. which is RALLY stages.

anyway we dont see any 4wd evo's or rex driftin in D1 Japan. :)
 

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Originally posted by ZeE@Sep 22 2004, 11:52
As for Ian/Ivan, hopefully the next time around in any drift competition they would get their hands on a proper FR.

The competition of any drifting form in the future should also only support FR cars. as the drift style on 4wd and FR on tarmac is totally different. Therefore giving points to these different layout cars remain very subjective.

As i remember there was an argument about a Sleeper BMW drifing better then Ian with his 4wd back in sso3. some how the BMW drifted better, but the judges prefered 4wd drifts by Ian. You cant compare 4wd with RWD drifts.. its totally different.

Anyway we should keep 4wd Drifting to where it belongs.. which is RALLY stages.

anyway we dont see any 4wd evo's or rex driftin in D1 Japan. :)
japan dont doesnt mean malaysia cant as MALAYSIA BOLEH
rulez are man-made

Anyway we should keep 4wd Drifting to where it belongs.. which is RALLY stages.
Are you asking IAN/IVAN to go back where they belong which is the rally track?
Why there are FF/MR in rally?

MK84,i think you can join Malaysia D1.
 

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hahhaha another 1 fella that asume and never read...

u said:
Are you asking IAN/IVAN to go back where they belong which is the rally track?

(I never said that lol)

i said:
As for Ian/Ivan, hopefully the next time around in any drift competition they would get their hands on a proper FR.

i repeat:
As for Ian/Ivan, hopefully the next time around in any drift competition they would get their hands on a proper FR.

LOLOLOL. Ian/Ivan have massive skills, so compare drifting in a same platform is what we should look at 1st. We need to set the standard right. FWD,RWD,4WD drifts are all different. you cant compare styles for different platform. Its just so plain obvious.

4WD or FF drifts are sub category for the drift scene in the world currenty, isn't that obvious ?

anyway you dont see MR2 in D1 japan as well.. dont say FF or AWD. We have a good sample which is D1 japan. Why dont we take some of their Idea ? lol :) But i must admit their scoring system is pretty bad.
 

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I dunno lah, but do you all think that the D1 Japan scoring method is bias sumtimes?

what i am trying to say is that the judges are sumtimes bias towards certain drifters. do you all think so?
 

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Zee: I've been hearing a lot of comments on how bad or bias the judges are at D1. Would you give us some instances as I can't seem to see it..LOLOLOLOL. Thanks :)
 

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heheheheehe .... well i've watched the video taken by a group member during the SS03 ... well really got nothing to say man .... sigh!! lets put it this way it doesn't do justice to a few people who were performing alot better so i really have to agree with zee on the different platform categories ... anyway,over is over lets forget the past and look to the future ok ...
well lil j/k its pretty difficult to judge in the D1 as they're all bloody good in their own way ... i've been watching some of the vids and hmmm,its really pretty difficult to judge .... they're all so good ..
 

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Hahha lets hope the new few SSO would be better and Drifters like URAS join as well. lol :)

Yeah about the D1, there is a few occassion they seem to be bias towards those top players while they are at final 32 or something like that. Well guess scoring like this depends on how the judges sees it. therefore there is no right or wrong, and judges now in D1 only Kei & orido rite ? They can decide to give more marks to who ever they prefer..

Due to the fact that there is not specific winning point. so the point giving are very much subjective. Who can follow the closest, who can run away faster, who got more style, who got more smoke ? who can maintain longest and fastest drift ? Oh well no comment. on this.. let see how this sport will grow to an international standard shits.. lol ;)
 

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Zee taiko...chill la bro......neway..i support u la.... :D
 
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