Saga BLM Clutch problem

[mysayasan]

Im using saga blm 1.3, currently my clutch is not functioning well.. which means.. its like when i hit the gas pedal,, it will do more revving rather than moving. This does not happen in my previous driving scheme. I can only speed up until 120kmj/ which last time i can go up to 160 with no problem at all.. Is this because my clucth already broken and need to be replace?.. is it something else.. as i know.. when i step on the clutch.. no weird sound .. is it really the clutch.. if it is the clutch .. could some one recommend me the best semi/racing clutch for saga BLM, thx. so much

 

[papagoines]

are u sure? or izzit one of those crank angle sensor/IAFM etc problems?

My sis BLM's having problems such as can't rev over 3k rpm, sometimes rev more than it needs to etc...

so far so many IAFM, throttle soloenoid and sensors have been replaced.

now she's piling enough complains so she can get new car

 

[mysayasan]

its not IAFM problem for sure.. its not just about revving.. when i shifting my gear (manual) the vibrate on the clutch pedal is abnormal than before.. and sometimes its slipping when changing gear.. i just need to know.. does it have aftermarket clutch like exedy semi/racing clutch suitable for blm.. FYI i can rev up to 6-7k rpm with no problem.. but the wheel just dont seem to move, previous 6krpm = 180kmh, now 6krpm = 120 max..

 

[papagoines]

its not IAFM problem for sure.. its not just about revving.. when i shifting my gear (manual) the vibrate on the clutch pedal is abnormal than before.. and sometimes its slipping when changing gear.. i just need to know.. does it have aftermarket clutch like exedy semi/racing clutch suitable for blm.. FYI i can rev up to 6-7k rpm with no problem.. but the wheel just dont seem to move, previous 6krpm = 180kmh, now 6krpm = 120 max..

well, just go to SC then, still under warranty rite?

 

[mysayasan]

ya.. already did, but the sc said.. if clutch worn out.. no warranty, if else can claim.. although i just only used 19k km..so need to purchase new 1.. so if that the case i need a new clutch plate .. i think aftermarket is better..

 

[papagoines]

ya.. already did, but the sc said.. if clutch worn out.. no warranty, if else can claim.. although i just only used 19k km..so need to purchase new 1.. so if that the case i need a new clutch plate .. i think aftermarket is better..

what the....?

although not the same item but i think its related to your bproblem...one of my sis problems is that the aircon getting hotter by the day. 1st time complain to SC, they say gas was leaking, so they top up for free..

after a few week, the aircon gets hot again, so topup again. then the other week, hot again.... they topup again but ask my sis to pay! my sister so angry, she lodge a complain to iCare and the Consumer Tribunal!

Luckily she kept all the records, then the USJ SC (The ones you can see beside KESAS) called and asked to come there. THey checked for one day then decided that a change of compressor was needed.... and its for free

what i'm trying to say is that build up ur case againts them, keep record abt the problem... i can't believe clutch plate can worn out so soon, you can argue wif them, if the clutch issue is your fault, then do diagnostic... for sure they can tell from other thingie inside the car that you rev kaw kaw... if not, they need to honor ur warranty, plus u can sue summore.... but to do this process, you need to leave ur car at SC for a couple of days, I suggest the USJ SC is good since they are the "Proton Center of Excellence"

If you want to change to aftermarket, confirm wif ur pomen if ur gearbox are the same as Gen2/Persona/Waja or not? By logic, they do since same Campro engine (only lack of capacity, 1.3 vs 1.6), if you do then I think Exedy got one.....

 

[alonso]

19km only then the SC told u to change new clucth plate? i dont think ur clucth plate prob why dont u survey other SC to confirm ur car problem maybe diff place u got diff answer about ur BLM problem....

 

[BEan]

do u see any fluid leakage or not?around the area where the gearbox mates to the engine to be more specific.a fluid leak could cause the clutch to slip prematurely.

 

[papagoines]

19km only then the SC told u to change new clucth plate? i dont think ur clucth plate prob why dont u survey other SC to confirm ur car problem maybe diff place u got diff answer about ur BLM problem....

agreed. like what happened to my sis, from SC in cheras, to PJ... lastly go to USJ SC (Proton Center of Excellence)... there my sis car get its due attention...

 

[mysayasan]

dude.. im really confused now.. i've already go to SC but in JB.. but they said need to wait couple of days.. which i cant.. im working everyday.. and i dont have other option to goto work except my car.. cause my workplace is really far away from my home.. if take bus oso.. i dont know.. maybe 3 bus trip.. but the sc ady said.. if its about the clutch plate worn out.. there would be no warranty.. so .. i try other rmechanics to test my car.. almost all of them said my clutch already worn out.. due to no quality 'clutch'.. i also dont know.. but as far as i know.. im really worn my car out.. 'wheel spinning','J TURN','Handbrake slide','RAMMING car viciously'.. and almost everyday.. lol???...

---------- Post added at 08:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:45 PM ----------

do u see any fluid leakage or not?around the area where the gearbox mates to the engine to be more specific.a fluid leak could cause the clutch to slip prematurely.

no leakage... actually this thing happened so suddenly... after i braking due to the bump in front, i step on my clutch.. and 'pfft' i felt my clutch not the same as before.. but i notice something.. when i drive on 120kmh.. on 5 rpm.. i smell something burning.. like metal..

 

[papagoines]

Whoa! sorry dude, thought you are here in klang valley.

by the looks of it, you should work as a proton qc as a durability expert

just a joke, no heart feeling aa bro hehe

p/s: tomorrow, i try to call my fren who work in USJ SC. perhaps I can get more info frm him regarding dis matter. today can't since my hp blocked and i can release it only tomorrow (gaji day!)

 

[mysayasan]

Whoa! sorry dude, thought you are here in klang valley.

by the looks of it, you should work as a proton qc as a durability expert

just a joke, no heart feeling aa bro hehe

p/s: tomorrow, i try to call my fren who work in USJ SC. perhaps I can get more info frm him regarding dis matter. today can't since my hp blocked and i can release it only tomorrow (gaji day!)

Thank you bro ur the best.. for supporting me all the way

 

[babydex]

hi, i drive blm also, but auto, i dun have those problem, just to answeryour question currently i dont think there is after market for 1.3 campro but there is for 1.6 campro gen-2, it should be the same, u can go find out actually. if there is any news on those clutch i'll be kindly to inform u.

 

[mysayasan]

hi, i drive blm also, but auto, i dun have those problem, just to answeryour question currently i dont think there is after market for 1.3 campro but there is for 1.6 campro gen-2, it should be the same, u can go find out actually. if there is any news on those clutch i'll be kindly to inform u.

Thanks for your support. I already send to the nearest workshop, and they've already installed a new pressure at clutch plate for me,, although its not the standard.. but i think it perform much more better than before.. and much more cheaper than proton when i ask them for the same quotation..

 

[EvolutionZ]

hi mysayasan,

its sign of worn out clutch when u rev and engine speed went up but you're still at same speed. it can be caused by few things:
1) worn out clutch due to stepping on the clutch pedal halfway during the entire driving time.
2) due to controlling clutch often on the slope over a daily basis for a long time until it burnt
3) proton fitted an inferior or not QCed clutch set - wrongly assembled etc - just imagine only, no evident yet for this kind of suspected negligence from proton
4) as some bro here suggest, some leaking on the clutch set.

under the warranty agreement, proton will not pay for wear & tear parts. but this still can be nego with the SC ppl if its genuinely not caused by your daily usage...jus my opinion only......

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checked with proton SC, the cost to replace whole set of clutch for BLM is out rm600 plus exclude labor, coz they are willing to waive the labor if the car is serviced promptly with proton.

but before replacing, its advisable to send your car in and they will remove the clutch set to see the condition and the technical dept will determine cause of damage/slip, 50:50 chance you need not pay for the replacement/repair. but 1 condition, your car must be serviced by proton according to their schedule - 1000km,5000km,10,000km and every subsequent 10,000km....

 

[mysayasan]

hi mysayasan,

its sign of worn out clutch when u rev and engine speed went up but you're still at same speed. it can be caused by few things:
1) worn out clutch due to stepping on the clutch pedal halfway during the entire driving time.
2) due to controlling clutch often on the slope over a daily basis for a long time until it burnt
3) proton fitted an inferior or not QCed clutch set - wrongly assembled etc - just imagine only, no evident yet for this kind of suspected negligence from proton
4) as some bro here suggest, some leaking on the clutch set.

under the warranty agreement, proton will not pay for wear & tear parts. but this still can be nego with the SC ppl if its genuinely not caused by your daily usage...jus my opinion only......

---------- Post added at 01:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:23 PM ----------

checked with proton SC, the cost to replace whole set of clutch for BLM is out rm600 plus exclude labor, coz they are willing to waive the labor if the car is serviced promptly with proton.

but before replacing, its advisable to send your car in and they will remove the clutch set to see the condition and the technical dept will determine cause of damage/slip, 50:50 chance you need not pay for the replacement/repair. but 1 condition, your car must be serviced by proton according to their schedule - 1000km,5000km,10,000km and every subsequent 10,000km....

actually my driving style.. are really bad.. high revving.. quick shifting.. and sometime.. stuck.. as the mechanic told me.. that my pressure plate is somehow broken apart.. i also dont know how this happened.. cause while it happened.. i was driving at 50KMJ.. and braking a bit.. then suddenly bam.. these things happened.. mm..

 

[EvolutionZ]

actually my driving style.. are really bad.. high revving.. quick shifting.. and sometime.. stuck.. as the mechanic told me.. that my pressure plate is somehow broken apart.. i also dont know how this happened.. cause while it happened.. i was driving at 50KMJ.. and braking a bit.. then suddenly bam.. these things happened.. mm..

bro,
the general warranty for saga is 175,000km. since now u have only done 19,000km, i advice u to replace yr clutch set in proton SC to enjoy the warranty coz if u fit after market clutch, it will void the whole warranty of your car.

personally, i think your driving style should use semi racing clutch or more durable after market clutch coz the BLM clutch is carry over from nissan sentra's clutch system.....its comfy and reliable for daily driven....if harsh driving....this will cause damage lor.....

so, there are pros & cons, if u need arrangement with SC, pm me, i'll get my friend to call u.
rgrds

 

[mysayasan]

bro,
the general warranty for saga is 175,000km. since now u have only done 19,000km, i advice u to replace yr clutch set in proton SC to enjoy the warranty coz if u fit after market clutch, it will void the whole warranty of your car.

personally, i think your driving style should use semi racing clutch or more durable after market clutch coz the BLM clutch is carry over from nissan sentra's clutch system.....its comfy and reliable for daily driven....if harsh driving....this will cause damage lor.....

so, there are pros & cons, if u need arrangement with SC, pm me, i'll get my friend to call u.
rgrds

oooo...
changing to 4-2-1 extractor can void warranty oso?

 

[EvolutionZ]

it might if the workshop ppl wanna find faults as there is agreement & common understanding that no mod during warranty period...:)

 

[mysayasan]

it might if the workshop ppl wanna find faults as there is agreement & common understanding that no mod during warranty period...:)

i think no more warranty to my car.. hehehe.. cause i already change the cluth plate to super touring clutch plate.. but kana lay abit.. haishh... cause when i send to sc they need almost 3 days.. which.. i cannot do that.. since my workplace are far from my house.. and there is no other alternative for me to go to work everyday.. wan ask you.. can put gen2 conrod, crankshaft, piston, that will make 1.3 = 1.6?
Cause what i know.. the bore are the same.. but stroke only different.. so maybe can?

 

[keisukosan]

i think no more warranty to my car.. hehehe.. cause i already change the cluth plate to super touring clutch plate.. but kana lay abit.. haishh... cause when i send to sc they need almost 3 days.. which.. i cannot do that.. since my workplace are far from my house.. and there is no other alternative for me to go to work everyday.. wan ask you.. can put gen2 conrod, crankshaft, piston, that will make 1.3 = 1.6?
Cause what i know.. the bore are the same.. but stroke only different.. so maybe can?

i juz know that saga blm got new with 1.6 rite?so u can make the research from 1.6 information...

 

[mysayasan]

i juz know that saga blm got new with 1.6 rite?so u can make the research from 1.6 information...

mm.. i ady see the bore and stroke

S4PH (1.6L): 76 x 88 mm, resulting the displacement of 1598 cc. = gen2 etc..
S4PE (1.3L): 76 x 73.4 mm, resulting the displacement of 1332 cc. = saga blm

I also want to clarify something.. since saga using IAFM. which is standalone.. do i need to change it to gen2 head oso?.. or just use saga 1?.. but to convert to cps.. is no no no.. $$$$...

if i just fit using saga head with iafm and some piggyback is it ok?.. need explanation from sifu2 out there

 

[keisukosan]

mm.. i ady see the bore and stroke

S4PH (1.6L): 76 x 88 mm, resulting the displacement of 1598 cc. = gen2 etc..
S4PE (1.3L): 76 x 73.4 mm, resulting the displacement of 1332 cc. = saga blm

I also want to clarify something.. since saga using IAFM. which is standalone.. do i need to change it to gen2 head oso?.. or just use saga 1?.. but to convert to cps.. is no no no.. $$$$...

if i just fit using saga head with iafm and some piggyback is it ok?.. need explanation from sifu2 out there

i think u beta ask for those sifu2 cuz i also newbie in here... :rolleyes: