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Well.. finally played with it for a bit, and I think I know how to use about 80% of the features in it. Been doing quite a lot of runs with it, and gotten quite a lot of datalogs that was very helpful..
Well, since it is a review.. let's start with the price.
The Price
The retail is about RM2900, including installation, so for some people, this might be a little steep, and I don't think it's for people who just want to tune it once and get it over with.. these people that only want to tune once should probably get a powerFC or something, since it has the commander unit for light tweaking. PowerFC is only like 2.8K or so? For me, this unit is for the serious tweaking enthusiast, who can sit in front of the computer and think about how the datalogs correlate, and what changes would affect what. Heh.. I'm just weird that way, but I hope that there are some zth hondarians that look beyond bodykits and would hopefully enjoy the same things I do, which is totally about engine and engine management.
Not JDM-oh!
But it's not JDM!?
Hey! I'm not a JDM purist, and I only care what works and what doesn't. And hondata really works.. and it's like really easy to tweak, once you have a wideband analogue output wired to the D14 on the P30, can even autotune itself with the D14 wideband input. So far, I'm avoiding the autotune feature because I want to do it the cel-by-cel way.. just so I can observe things.
Features
setting idle/control IACV
One of the first things I played with is idle parameters.. this one is really good for those running loose clearance for their forged pistons. You can set the idle really high like 2000rpm when you start it in the mornings, and the as the water temp heats up, go down to 950-1K (or lower, depending on how normal is your car)
add Wideband support to ECU
The next was chopping up the jumper harness to wire in the Innovate analogue output into D14. With this, I can see the exact AFR for each point of the map.
Fuel tuning,obviously
next was fuel tuning, which was done quite easily by overlaying the wideband reading on top of the fuel map, and deciding what to add and/or reduce. Much easier than my first attempt of reading the datalogs, matching the rev points and TPS positions... LOL. Well.. hopefully innovate's logworks 3 has a plugin for the hondata, which would make things seriously easier.
VTEC Control
There's also the method of setting vtec opening based on throttle and Vtec oil pressure... though in the manual says cannot, but it seems to work on mine, though having a variable opening vtec point, and occasionally having the vtec opening at 4K results in a jerk and a feeling of a flat spot at 4-5K.
Finally settled on the norm.. which is 5.8K-6K switchover point.
Thoughts about it/Random comments
The stock mapping for the P30 is like super rich.. probably 11ish AFR.. though for mine, it's more like 10ish, due to the fact I'm using higher pressure at the rails. So far, from 95% duty cycle, I'm down to 80, and at peak, it still gives me 11-ish AFR.. (O_o) Does 3.5bar fuel press really increase fuelling that much? (O_o).. I have the baseline done a while back already though, so let's see how far I can take it with just tuning on a virgin B16a block.
Ignition tune
Next is ignition tune, but I'm leaving that alone until I'm happy with the fuel tune.
Real time tuning/Emulation.
Real time emulation without extra devices like a ROMulator[/B]
Unlike previous iterations of hondata, like the S100, S200, etc, which is has no realtime tuning options, at least, not without a rom-emulator, the S300J does have realtime emulation, built in to the unit.. heh.. no more bulky romulators required!
Good datalog resolution
And the datalog resolution is also higher than the innovate Wideband system.. I haven't figured out how to lower the datalog resolution so it matches innovates one though, if it is at all possible.
Importing the datalog into excel results in hundred of points, even for a 15-20 sec run.
Final thoughts
One thing I can say.. This thing can do almost anything except wake you up and make you breakfast in the morning.. that one, still your wife's job.. he he.
Anyone here using quads with the hondata? Want to experiment, but if got a guy that already did it, then I can save time a bit.
Well, since it is a review.. let's start with the price.
The Price
The retail is about RM2900, including installation, so for some people, this might be a little steep, and I don't think it's for people who just want to tune it once and get it over with.. these people that only want to tune once should probably get a powerFC or something, since it has the commander unit for light tweaking. PowerFC is only like 2.8K or so? For me, this unit is for the serious tweaking enthusiast, who can sit in front of the computer and think about how the datalogs correlate, and what changes would affect what. Heh.. I'm just weird that way, but I hope that there are some zth hondarians that look beyond bodykits and would hopefully enjoy the same things I do, which is totally about engine and engine management.
Not JDM-oh!
But it's not JDM!?
Hey! I'm not a JDM purist, and I only care what works and what doesn't. And hondata really works.. and it's like really easy to tweak, once you have a wideband analogue output wired to the D14 on the P30, can even autotune itself with the D14 wideband input. So far, I'm avoiding the autotune feature because I want to do it the cel-by-cel way.. just so I can observe things.
Features
setting idle/control IACV
One of the first things I played with is idle parameters.. this one is really good for those running loose clearance for their forged pistons. You can set the idle really high like 2000rpm when you start it in the mornings, and the as the water temp heats up, go down to 950-1K (or lower, depending on how normal is your car)
add Wideband support to ECU
The next was chopping up the jumper harness to wire in the Innovate analogue output into D14. With this, I can see the exact AFR for each point of the map.
Fuel tuning,obviously
next was fuel tuning, which was done quite easily by overlaying the wideband reading on top of the fuel map, and deciding what to add and/or reduce. Much easier than my first attempt of reading the datalogs, matching the rev points and TPS positions... LOL. Well.. hopefully innovate's logworks 3 has a plugin for the hondata, which would make things seriously easier.
VTEC Control
There's also the method of setting vtec opening based on throttle and Vtec oil pressure... though in the manual says cannot, but it seems to work on mine, though having a variable opening vtec point, and occasionally having the vtec opening at 4K results in a jerk and a feeling of a flat spot at 4-5K.
Finally settled on the norm.. which is 5.8K-6K switchover point.
Thoughts about it/Random comments
The stock mapping for the P30 is like super rich.. probably 11ish AFR.. though for mine, it's more like 10ish, due to the fact I'm using higher pressure at the rails. So far, from 95% duty cycle, I'm down to 80, and at peak, it still gives me 11-ish AFR.. (O_o) Does 3.5bar fuel press really increase fuelling that much? (O_o).. I have the baseline done a while back already though, so let's see how far I can take it with just tuning on a virgin B16a block.
Ignition tune
Next is ignition tune, but I'm leaving that alone until I'm happy with the fuel tune.
Real time tuning/Emulation.
Real time emulation without extra devices like a ROMulator[/B]
Unlike previous iterations of hondata, like the S100, S200, etc, which is has no realtime tuning options, at least, not without a rom-emulator, the S300J does have realtime emulation, built in to the unit.. heh.. no more bulky romulators required!
Good datalog resolution
And the datalog resolution is also higher than the innovate Wideband system.. I haven't figured out how to lower the datalog resolution so it matches innovates one though, if it is at all possible.
Importing the datalog into excel results in hundred of points, even for a 15-20 sec run.
Final thoughts
One thing I can say.. This thing can do almost anything except wake you up and make you breakfast in the morning.. that one, still your wife's job.. he he.
Anyone here using quads with the hondata? Want to experiment, but if got a guy that already did it, then I can save time a bit.
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