Proton CFE Manual Swap

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Has there been great advances in suspension geometry in the intervening years? Specifically the difference between these 2 cars. If design age of the suspension is going to be a factor, has BMW changed the suspension design that much between the e36 vs F30?

Admittedly, it's not really fair to compare a newish car and one that is 20+ years old who's undercarriage might not been that well taken care of.
I believe great advances been made. Just look at the Civic Type R and Megan Cup, front wheel drive that can turn that way. It's simply unimaginable 10 years back.
 

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thank you guys for your input, i think i may end up scrapping the idea of a manual box in the suprima. Unless i am crazy enough to dump probably 30k into it to rewire the whole car this is not gonna work.
Just for your info, the dude who bought that manual GB had a lot of grief trying to transplant it into his CVT variant. There were a total of 6 or something real manuals made by Proton that were all sold to automotive schools and private collectors. The dude somehow managed to get one from the collectors but he should've just taken the full front halfcut. I think the TCU/ECU really messes with the whole GB and the wiring won't be that simple. You might have more luck completely bypassing the ECU + TCU and installing standalones that can handle all of that, or perhaps you could track down a manual variant owner and pay for the full car or halfcut.
 
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I believe great advances been made. Just look at the Civic Type R and Megan Cup, front wheel drive that can turn that way. It's simply unimaginable 10 years back.
the one thing i love about the type R is how they designed the suspension geometry. No torque steer, mechanical grip.. Automotive industry has come a long way from how they make power, to how the car turns.. brilliant!!
 

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Just for your info, the dude who bought that manual GB had a lot of grief trying to transplant it into his CVT variant. There were a total of 6 or something real manuals made by Proton that were all sold to automotive schools and private collectors. The dude somehow managed to get one from the collectors but he should've just taken the full front halfcut. I think the TCU/ECU really messes with the whole GB and the wiring won't be that simple. You might have more luck completely bypassing the ECU + TCU and installing standalones that can handle all of that, or perhaps you could track down a manual variant owner and pay for the full car or halfcut.
completely by passing the ecu and running a standalone will be impossible without hacking the cars CAN system. No one here i think will want to spend the time to do it as it may not be profitable later on. i have spoken to a few campro specialist they just say it cant be done and if really insist then only way is to fully run a new wiring, which would eliminate the BCM, ESP, Airbags and etc. this will also require a custom dash cluster. all of which i'd rather not unless its a race car. so i guess for now, CVT it is :)
 
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Manual ecu unfortunately dont exist for the cfe... unless i pay a ton to downgrade to the iafm campro manual. Complete wiring should fit but this route would be expensive and deffinately not worth it.. honestly i am more interested in exploring the option of a standalone integrated with the exisiting CAN system. Will need to learn up on CAN systems and how to identifiy their id

standalone with CAN capability should be able to do that easily....

just dont cheap out on basic ecu with limited function...thats where most common problem came from...difficulty to adapt something that the ecu dont have the function
 

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i know there are standalones with CAN capability, but locally i havent found anyone who have cracked or decode the Proton's system for the ECU to speak and listen to the other can systems in the car.
 

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thank you guys for your input, i think i may end up scrapping the idea of a manual box in the suprima. Unless i am crazy enough to dump probably 30k into it to rewire the whole car this is not gonna work.
Whats the bajet for this project bro? I have sumthing at the back of my head ni, most probably a doable one, hihi.. Pm tepi ler kalau minat
 

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i have always wanted a ke70.. but prices are still steap for my budget. i have another idea but its a fwd. you might like this idea, not sure how feasible it will be but i think it will be a real fun car. hehehe
Does it involves the awesome charade? Lol
 

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What's wrong with his e36?
Try driving both, then you'll know. But IMHO, Suprima engine, although it has enough power and potential to mod, is not worth it. It's not very reliable (oil cooler hose problem) and it's not smooth at all.
 

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Try driving both, then you'll know. But IMHO, Suprima engine, although it has enough power and potential to mod, is not worth it. It's not very reliable (oil cooler hose problem) and it's not smooth at all.
I know a guy with the 330i E46 manual 5 speed... and my god it's a good car. Smooth, pretty damn good to drive around and there are plenty of parts options for that generation of car.. only thing I found odd was the light steering.
 

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Try driving both, then you'll know. But IMHO, Suprima engine, although it has enough power and potential to mod, is not worth it. It's not very reliable (oil cooler hose problem) and it's not smooth at all.
Never driven a Suprima. I expect it's similar to a Preve. Never driven a stock E36 before. So I wont be able to tell also. Still .. Bimmers are known to have good handling what with their 50/50 weight distribution, all alu arms coupled with their solid build. Thus I am a bit suprised when someone says a Proton FWD beats a classic BMW RWD.

Also kinda odd that the one with the powerful cruise liner agrees. :confused:
 

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Never driven a Suprima. I expect it's similar to a Preve. Never driven a stock E36 before. So I wont be able to tell also. Still .. Bimmers are known to have good handling what with their 50/50 weight distribution, all alu arms coupled with their solid build. Thus I am a bit suprised when someone says a Proton FWD beats a classic BMW RWD.

Also kinda odd that the one with the powerful cruise liner agrees. :confused:
Dunno. This is just my experience. As far as I know, E30 & E46 handles better than E36.
 

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Never driven a Suprima. I expect it's similar to a Preve. Never driven a stock E36 before. So I wont be able to tell also. Still .. Bimmers are known to have good handling what with their 50/50 weight distribution, all alu arms coupled with their solid build. Thus I am a bit suprised when someone says a Proton FWD beats a classic BMW RWD.

Also kinda odd that the one with the powerful cruise liner agrees. :confused:
Poor me have driven the very older model of beemer only and they don't handle well. Not sure of the E36.....lol
 

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Never driven a Suprima. I expect it's similar to a Preve. Never driven a stock E36 before. So I wont be able to tell also. Still .. Bimmers are known to have good handling what with their 50/50 weight distribution, all alu arms coupled with their solid build. Thus I am a bit suprised when someone says a Proton FWD beats a classic BMW RWD.

Also kinda odd that the one with the powerful cruise liner agrees. :confused:
I’ve driven the Suprima, test drive. Apart from the fact the tires were pure rubbish, I find the chassis and steering very good.

Tires were squealing all the way and salesman had a straight face. He must have been rather confident with the car.

Being FWD the Suprima did had its inherent understeer. But I don’t think it’s bad, it’s just predictable. Bearing in mind it’s a passenger car not a track car.

I’ve not driven the E36/46. But even with the modern F30 being the benchmark, i would still say the Suprima is good for what it is, stock. Do I believe it can be better than the E36? Possible, but being a RWD platform, some mods and the E36 will shine.

The example he drove with the Bilstein might just be old and tired. Other than the absorbers, the bushings and mounts also affect the handling of the car. Being over 20 years old, I’m not surprised he felt the Suprima was better, but I think the beemer must just be old and tired.
 

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Agreed the Proton's handling is good. For those who have'nt driven any of the newer Protons, you should give them a go. I however still dont agree they will win over the e36 :thefinger:. Think you got to charge really hard into a tight corner to appreciate the 50/50 distribution.
 
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