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l500 engine vs l2 engine

Discussion in 'Car Talk' started by sissoko, May 23, 2010.

  1. sissoko

    sissoko Senior Member
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    i'm looking forward to buy kancil converted to either l5 or l2 engine..i heard that l2 engine alwiz got problem...anyone can give me advice pro n cons regarding this 2 engine...FC....
     
  2. oly

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    for long term...go for l5 engine...good fc and almost no vibrate engine cos its a 4 piston engine...now parts is easy to find...
     
  3. sissoko

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    l5 auto fuel consumption equal to driving what car bro? like wira 1.3 fc?
     
  4. oly

    oly Senior Member
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    last time drive manual...rm10=70-80km...i think auto around rm10=60-70km for town use...
     
  5. xtremeleo

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    L5 single cam, 3cyl also got, later then the L2
     
  6. sissoko

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    wah...not so high ek... if std 850 auto...got lot diff ka with l5 auto?
     
  7. DanzEterna

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    L5- 3 cylinder
    L5s - 4 cylinder
     
  8. papagoines

    papagoines Orang Tua
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    l2 vs L5? kinda old issue.... every one got pro/cons

    Daihatsu Mira L500 series got 2 kind of engine.

    From L500S chassis got EF-RL, 3 cyl turbo... much like our kelisas but its 660cc turbo... arguably the the most torque of the lot = 104.93 Nm / 4000 rpm

    From L502S/L512S got JB-JL, 4 cyl turbo... but it has a high revving nature... it's rev limit set at 8.5k rpm

    if reliability is a factor, i've seen JB-JL running high boost and runs reliably for years...

    if for me, I'd rather have JB-DET from L900S chassis (Move)
     
  9. budakkampungaje

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    L500 3piston

    Displacement, cc 659
    Engine model EF-DET
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 64 ps (47.07 kw) / 6400 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 10.9 kg*m (106.89 N*m) / 3600 rpm
    Power density 12.03
    Engine type Water cooling serial 3 cylinder DOHC12 valve IC turbo
    Engine information Horizontal ranging
    Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
    Turbocharger Turbo with intercooler
    Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline
    LEV system (Low emission vehicle) Yes
    Compression ratio 8.5
    Bore, mm 68
    Stroke, mm 60.5
    Final gear ratio
    Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 5
    Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km

    L500 4piston N/A

    Displacement, cc 659
    Engine model JB-EL
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 58 ps (42.66 kw) / 7600 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 5.8 kg*m (56.88 N*m) / 5600 rpm
    Power density 11.9
    Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve
    Engine information Chain drive horizontalranging
    Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
    Turbocharger No
    Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline
    LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No
    Compression ratio 10
    Bore, mm 61
    Stroke, mm 56.4
    Final gear ratio
    Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 4.4
    Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km

    L200S

    Displacement, cc 659
    Engine model EF-JL
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 64 ps (47.07 kw) / 7500 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 9.4 kg*m (92.18 N*m) / 4000 rpm
    Power density 10.31
    Engine type Water cooling serial 3 cylinder SOHC12 valve IC turbo
    Engine information Belt driving horizontal ranging
    Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
    Turbocharger Turbo with intercooler
    Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline
    LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No
    Compression ratio 8
    Bore, mm 68
    Stroke, mm 60.5
    Final gear ratio
    Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 5.5
    Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km

    -L500 4piston

    Displacement, cc 659
    Engine model JB-JL
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 64 ps (47.07 kw) / 7500 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 10.2 kg*m (100.03 N*m) / 4000 rpm
    Power density 10.94
    Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve IC turbo
    Engine information 4 cycle chain drive horizontal ranging
    Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
    Turbocharger Turbo with intercooler
    Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline
    LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No
    Compression ratio 8.7
    Bore, mm 61
    Stroke, mm 56.4
    Final gear ratio
    Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 5.1
    Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km
     
  10. DanzEterna

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    id prefer L2s,
     
  11. xtremeleo

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    me too danz
     
  12. budakkampungaje

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    for pic-up perf L2 for long dis i'm perf L5 cozz i'm using L5....huhuhuhuuu very smooth
    another engine can fit into KENARI,KELISA,VIVA 1.0 and MYVI....this is my fav engine for 1.3 K3VE2 N/Acc:adore:

    Displacement, cc 1297
    Engine model K3-VE2
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 110 ps (80.91 kw) / 7000 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 12.8 kg*m (125.53 N*m) / 4400 rpm
    Power density 7.73
    Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve
    Engine information DVVT horizontal ranging
    Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
    Turbocharger No
    Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline
    LEV system (Low emission vehicle) Yes
    Compression ratio 11
    Bore, mm 72
    Stroke, mm 79.7
    Final gear ratio
    Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 5
    Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km
     
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    Problem of L2...

    - engine oil cover always kong.. need to change from time to time if dun prepare to wash ur engine like monkey doing business.... heheee
    - throttle body idling crazy timing also not well stable...
    - high boost more worst engine like wanna drop...

    last time drive boost 1 bar with ori fuelpump

    Problem L5 3 piston
    - wiring problem especially the alternator leg that support between engine and alternator just use stupid 1 screw at top.. can break to 2 if u boost every day.. mine break 4 time already at highway (can say like nightmare man!!! xxxxyyyyzzzzz) till modified the VR4 on in then no problem at the top but the below screw always break to 2 piece, then change to better one..hehe.. boost half way.. screw drop off...

    currently boosting 1 bar with evo fuel pump...
    engine not well reliable but spare parts like Kelisa even engine also looks like Kelisa...

    L5 4 piston for smooth driving and long run use... (recommendation)
    spare parts easily get but the price just like u are using Wira 1.6 or higher even gasket full set also cost 300 bucks but metal la.. all gasket made from metal not a single piece of paper even exhaust gasket also metal...

    I have change 2 time L2 engine and also 1 time L5 3 piston engine... next year change to 4 piston.. better... chain belt less hassel no need to go garage just like working there...
     
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  14. papagoines

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    Had the same dilemma in choosing which engine to plonk into my beloved kancil..... the most negative comments about L5 4cyl (JB-JL) series is that
    1. Engine can't be trashed kaw kaw.. very manja
    2. it's full of electronics....
    3. spare parts not easily available...

    I choose JB-JL after I met this guy at a forum tt that tuned his JB-JL up to 220bhp on 660cc block!

    p/s: the only engine that would love to have but probably will not get even I got the $$$.... JC-DET, basically a JB-DET tuned by DRC!!!
     
  15. fordlegend

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    Been using L5 4 piston N/A for 3 years now,no problem.very low maintenance.just spend changing engine oil & filter.Sparks plugs still using from halfcut @ 155k km,now run up to RM225k kms.Gearbox oil change every 40k km.Some more comes with electric power steering.
     
  16. foofis

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    to my own preference, L2 more pickup n responsive, L5 more top speed
     
  17. papagoines

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    yeah... since L5 4cyl got a higher rev limit than L2... :adore:

    ...to each its own... :burnout:
     
  18. foofis

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    ya, this i aggree, give n take lah, no engine is ultimate :D
     
  19. DanzEterna

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    L2s manual halfcut rm2.5k ok ah? or can get cheaper?
     

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