DIY the "probably the only real FUEL SAVER"

Discussion in 'Do-It-Yourself Garage' started by donCityZ, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    I manage to get all the stuff today. need time to build one now......

    washer hydrogen cell.

    something like this
    .., YouTube - (Video 32) NEW Washer DryCell Hydrogen Generator Design (HHO, Brown's Gas, Hydroxy)
    not sure how much gas i am getting ......... i cant find cheap 304 or 316L washer... it was RM15 each for a small 304 washer and i need like 21pcs of it so its 21x RM15 = RM3XX ? so i just bought some cheapo metal washer to try out first. only cost rm0.80 each . LOL!
    cant seem to find the gasket as recommended so i just went to my regular bike shop and get a free used tyres and cut them according to size. hope it works and seal between the plate.

    seem like this topic is dead. probably becoz fuel is cheap at rm1.85 ?
    i doing this project not coz of fuel price, but becoz of how drastically it improve my car performance interm of acceleration and pick up and engine really quiet. i cant even imagine my car is running without this. probably its an old 26yrs old car.

    anyway, hope those who still into this HHO project can share some info or your project. maybe can work some better design or something.... ?

    HHO for life.
     
  2. jaynian

    jaynian Senior Member
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    interesting tread, plan to post a tread on my diy but since we have it here i wil post my, wil upload some photo to share later.

    i use simple design only.. not as complicated as the youtube protoytype. whole 'thing' just cost me around rm 50 ++ --.

    i din't use any PWM, just cut & connect the wire for the wiper motor and add a fuse to it. one thing good about connect to wiper motor is wen u key off, your hho cell off as well
    from my research, if u use too much electric or current will cost ur car generator to charge more electric to the battery this mean ur engin rev more to run the generator come out more fuel is using.

    normally our car generator and battery produce 130A or more of electric wen u start ur car. your generator will start generate electic wen 10A current or more then 5% of 130 A is using, so keep the current to the hho cell less then 130A x 0.05 = 6.5A then u can get the saving result. you can put a amp meter to monitor the current of the cell plus a an on off switch to it, is up to u.
     
  3. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    Normal car alternator is 55A or 60A only.. some modify to 80A or 130A if u have big audio system or changed bigger battery (need more power to charge bigger battery).

    do post up more pics of your setup ,jaynian.

    where do you get the stainless steel plate? i cant seem to find cheap one around my place here in cheras...
     
  4. jaynian

    jaynian Senior Member
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    i use ss paddle for making cake one. buy at jusco for just rm7.50. u can find also at daiso just rm 5 one. bcos space constrain for kelisa engin bay i use small 800ml plastic container only. stand up to 120 degree.. & i use plastic screw & rubber washer to tight them up.
    i try to keep it simple and cheap so that it really 'save'. and i use baken soda.. i try b4 use mineral water but it come out over heated and boil the water & melt my cans cover.

    i just make 2 cell. but it generate enough H2 for me.
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    i use 1mm2 wayer to get +-+-, but after that i remove cos it is not stable and burn the 10A fuse 3 times or some time wen travel long distance the bolt get heat then H2 blow, H2 is ez to blow lucky it did not blow my engin bay. after that let it be + Neutral Neutral -. the electrical cas will cas the neutral paddle to + or -, this is wat i esperiance. i never test the Amp but since the 10A fuse does not burn then the Amp shall lower that 10.

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    i do use a glass cans, tomyam one put in some water to filter the water vapor. post the photo later.

    compare with the prototype above my one just lousy thing but it work for me. i use close ratio gearbox for my kelisa. last time 13~15km/l, now about 16~18km/l for 80% highway 20% city ride, not much but stil some saving . i can c water drop at the ekzos after few minit engin idling. 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O...+ smooth acceralation. i guess the HHO generator work for me.

    do comment me if im wrong.
     
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  5. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    cool and easy setup u got there, jaynian.

    anyway, my friend is making some prototype now, maybe will test it by next week hopefully.

    i removed my unit for servicing, have not fix it back yet. but now i run water "injection" on the vacuum hose . just put a big bottle of water and straight let it suck thru the vacuum of the throttle body/manifold. just use the fish shop air controller to adjust the amount of water going in.

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    Just the the prototype... :D

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    Any comment?
     
  6. jaynian

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    very nice desin u have there..any video to share for ur prototype in working condition.??
    how much hydrogen u can get?? it seem like its seal up tight, how to u put in the water??
     
  7. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    Another 6 months have passed...

    My unit is unplugged coz i ran out of sodium hydroxide. anyone have some for sale???

    argh.. i miss the HHO power in my car....
     
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    Very interesting thread... BTW where do you guys bought the catalyst from? Wanna share?
     
  9. donCityZ

    donCityZ Senior Member
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    Kheng! You guys DIY skill dem kaw power wan... but got any detailed performance data or not of before and after using the unit? something measurable?
     
  10. kruger

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    demmmm nice design! btw i'm using potassium hydroxide to powerup my HHO system... working fine... installed an hho generator to my friend waja campro manual. and it does save him a lot of FC. last time he went back to malacca from alor setar. usually will cost him rm90 now only rm40... i can't believe this also... kekeke...
     
  11. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    Wah, waja EFI also can use HHO saves fuel .. i tot EFI the ecu will counter back. Good to know it works!

    I am still waiting for my Koah to arrive. ordered it from a shop in klang. later if i get it, i will let u guys know how or where to buy it. i bought 500g for it.

    anyway, have new design soon ... want to make a new dry cell but money is a concern, as 316L stainless steel damn expensive with laser cutting and everything.. haizzz...

    hopefully it will do better then my current design~~

    long live HHO ! it will be the future of renewable energy (if the G allows it ) :P
     
  12. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    Just got my KOAH and have a new design of HHO generator!!! 316L plate , 21 plates and dry cell design!!

    will show details if anyone interested to see or know more... else its like talking to myself here. :P ehheheheeee
     
  13. D7zul

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    i wanna see it..

    please :biggrin:
     
  14. icecube

    icecube Senior Member
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    Got a new PWM , bubbler aka tank , EFIE ...awaiting arrival. will post pic when its time. :D

    Anyone got pics?

    Here is my generator pic... :D small small only..

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  15. mat_ron

    mat_ron 15 Year | Platinum

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    Hi, let me introduce myself first.
    Actually im a final year student, doing a final year project regarding the hydrogen generator.
    This project is basically continuing my senior's project, which he used it on the Diesel engine.
    My task is to use it on the spark ignition engines (petrol engines) and it was a Mitsubishi 4gxx series that has ECU.

    My problems are:
    1) The generator is in bad condition, need to refurbished, and the carbon rods are deteriorating! Any suggestion on the rods to be used? The design is from those normal water filter and used carbon rods as the electrodes. (im having trouble finding these rods). The electrical diagram is simple, direct +- to the rods but i used a voltage/amp regulator to power this system. (not yet tested on a car with unknown volts/amp)

    2) Before injecting to the manifold, i have to produce hydrogen gas first. To obtain the flow rate, i used the traditional way (filled bottled with water upside down in a bucket, and pipe through the gas produced)
    Since this gas is HHO, or maybe contained some vapour of water, can u help me with the purifier/drier?
    Furthermore, to obtain the flowrate was such a hell as gravity played its role, e.g. if i lower the bottle more in the bucket, there will be no bubbles. lower means lesser/slower bubbles. This might be solved, but what about the drier?

    3) There will of course some problem will arise, such as O2 sensor detecting richer O2, making more fuel injected. Hoping to hear from all contributors. Thank you in advance.

    Regards, Ron.
     
  16. kenchoo

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    1)Use 316 stainless steel rod for both + & - terminal. You may get the M6 316ss long bolt from hardware shop.Try not to use too much of amp from your car 15A as max use a 15 A Fuse for protection. Normally HHO generator were have Thermal run away problem if you install the generator in car engine chamber. Try to install the generator in front of your car
    radiator.

    2)Install the HHO outlet before air filter for safety. Not direct into car manifold. If your want to DIY dryer for your hho generator use silicate gel(normally sale as cat litter crystal)

    3) Your can try to use this simple o2 sensor enhancer(narrowband 02 sensor). If your hho cell are high efficient produce (less than 45 c)low temperature quality gas, then try to lower the amp you use if you work without an EFIE.
    Slowly lower the amp you use if the check engine light on.
    Test until the check engine light off then you get suitable amp for HHO generator which suit you car engine.
    First try with 15 A,then 10 A, then 5 A, then 3 A etc till get the best Amp.
    of course high amp=higher gas production however it may not suit all engine.

    Run Green and be happy.HHO= Hydrogen+Oxygen
    Little production were help fuel to burn more efficient,but if too much it trick your car 02 sensor...Think?Then you understand What I mean.
     

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    kenchoo 5 Year | Silver

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    My DIY HHO Titanium Drycell with cooler & PWM in my car.
    About 10%~30% fuel economy in both city & highway for my car.
    And it dyno proven on BMW 325 by Italy friend W.U.ENG.GUIDO U.PARISI his is car mechanic on sportcar.

    Most of my units are sell to Europe & Singapore. My HHO unit was one of the few unit compared to the market that set and stay at it set Amp even without the PWM. There is no thermal runaway & no overheating in my unit & it stay below 45 Celsius degree in all the time even in hot weather & jam in traffic.

    Many HHO unit are look impressive in air production, but think about it...does boiling water give you more air, yes but full with water moisture which does not help in fuel burning. That is why many HHO unit in the market set with very low Amp, because Amp were be higher when Thermal-runaway and there were be overheating especially heavy traffic jam.

    The specification of this drycell was in diagram below & in my blog on post on may2010. You can DIY yourself
    And I no longer selling this kit,since no extra time to make it, & i am just part time car hobbyist.
    Many people buy few unit from mine then were go on manufacturing themselves. So everyone can DIY themselves.

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  18. kenchoo

    kenchoo 5 Year | Silver

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    Simple HHO Wetcell.
    Material Needed

    Water filter casing x 1 Is about RM30~RM35
    Stainless Steel Bolt M6 SS316(A4 grade) RM1.50~RM2.50 x 4 pcs depend on size.
    Car Ballast Resistor 1.6 ohm x1 RM20~RM30 (use to limit the current to Wetcell)
    SS elbow x1 less than RM5.00
    PVC end plug x1 less than RM1.00
    O-ring 1.7mm to fixed on the PVC end plug less than RM1.00

    Total Cost RM35+RM10+RM30+RM5+RM1+RM1=RM82.00

    Less than RM100 you can built an HHO wetcell.

    The SS bolt use as the electrode 2 for the positive which produce Oxygen and 2 for negative for production of Hydrogen, the Ballast resistor are use to limit the current to the cell in preventing it for overheating.

    The ss elbow was work as the refill hole & the PVC end plug+o-ring work as the cover seal.
    If you have Amp meter (if do not have the amp meter then borrow from car work shop they normally have DC clamp-on amp meter)Try to set the Amp by less than 5 amp without the Ballast resistor & with the Ballast resistor it should bring the Amp down to less than 3 Amp.Use distill water or RO water only and may need to add some KOH( good but a little bit corrosive) or Sodium Sulfate(which are neutral) to boost the Amp.

    Then it ready to install the in car try to connect the HHO wetcell to Car Air filter & not direct to the car manifold. You should able to notice the different with the acceleration of car. If you car engine check life is on then, maybe the ECU had sense the too much o2 in exhaust. In this case, try to reduce the HHO production by lowering slowing the Amp until the check light is off.

    Finally you have your Simple HHO wetcell enjoy Fun & Tuning!
     

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