Datsun 510 Talk.

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  1. coldair

    coldair Senior Member
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    Hello,
    Of late there has been growing interests on this infamous Datsun 510 amoung
    our local community. Talks about this 510 is all over the ZTH forum and it's
    hard to keep a track of them, so here we are having a "Datsun 510 Talk"
    topic where everyone can talk and share information under one common roof.

    I already know of a few local 510 owners and we have befriended ourselves,
    anyone else here with a 510?. Let's report in here and share our passion for this rare car.
     
  2. blitz3rs

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    Yea... Finally we got our own 510 talk. Me also 1 of da 510 owner.
     
  3. blitz3rs

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    Wow coldair!! U own 2 510. Can u show me ur ride pic??
     
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    I have been pestering this pakcik to sell me his 510 but he told me it has sentimental value...............now I got myself a 910. The next best thing I guess.....
     
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    Hi uncle coldair and everyone here, good effort uncle. I hope from this talk, we as 510 lovers can understand more about the car and discuss issues pertaining the 510. More info shared, more benefit to the members.

    Regards
     
  6. coldair

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    Hello Blitz3rs,
    If you don't mind I will attempt to answer your questions from the other thread in here since our goal is to have one topic for all 510's. Ok?.

    Ok, the R160, R180, R200 and also the R230 exists in all RWD Datsun/Nissan cars and they refer to the rear differential used. The numbers after the "R", example R160 refers to the diameter size of the "crown" or "ring" gear inside the differential housing. The 510 in stock form uses an R160, the 910 uses an R180, Laurel/Leopard uses R200, I think the newer Fairlady uses an R230. Nissan's rear diff comes in 2 forms, long nose and a short nose diff, 510 and the 910 comes with long nose diffs. Arrrr...!! the information here may be a bit too much for someone who is not so well versed in this area( I am also learning btw) but I hope I am not confusing anyone. The long nose diff housing has a 4-hole mounting pattern while the shorter one has only 2-holes, another thing to note is that the long nose diff is dimensionally longer than the short diff, that's they way people calls to differentiate between them.

    Now why fit a diff from a Subaru?, because both Nissan and Subaru uses the same diffs as manufactured by Fuji Heavy Industries which makes it a common platform for both these car manufactures as far as rear diffs are concern. In a lot of cases you can switch diff internals between a long and a short nose diff, this is especially true for the LSD carrier case which a lot of people do, happy hearing that?. So if you are not aware of this then this rear diff thingy suddenly opens up some options.

    There are a lot more info that's available on the Internet, if you find time please do look them up.

    Cheers!.
     
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    Hey Devious.., the 910 has the same L-series engine and suspension geometry design as in the 510, so by all means 910's can talk here.

    Something I realized different while looking from under a 510 and a 910, anyone knows what's missing by-design(or missed out while designing) in a 510?. It's a major component and I was shocked when I realized it wasn't there, not just on my 2 510's, I guess it's on all 510's. Not on the 510 is the rear anti-roll bar !!!!!!!!. When the 510's first came out in 1968 they claimed it has superior handling characteristics due to the IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) system and the rear wheels spreads out and the car squarts upon acceleration for better traction, they did not say what happens to the car's handling during hard corners, hahaha... no anti-roll bar for the rear so how can it be good at corners ar....?.
     
  8. devious17

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    uncle coldair, it depends on what application you use the 510 for. Anti roll bars "share" the grip onto both wheels, it'll distribute the wheel that has more traction to the wheel that has less.

    The thick anti roll bar on my A31 was installed to induce traction loss for tail out action so if the 510 is for gymkhana or market buying fish I think anti roll bars arent needed as we want the grip .

    The only thing I would want an anti roll bar on the car is to "level" the car ( less roll) which attacking a corner.

    I would consider altering the CG and RC to upgrade the cars handling.

    When they designed the 510 they were thinking ahead of time. 510 is the first jap car that is IRS then followed by the market later on.
     
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    Immaculate! ................a bit high though

    Anyone got their 910 with rear disc on? was toying with the idea of grafting RB's or SR rear subframe on the 910.

    Compatible suspension for this 910?
     
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  11. coldair

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    Devious,
    Don't have to think too hard, the grafting of an RB or an SR subframe into
    a 910 has been done before. There is currently one 910 sitting in a workshop
    in USJ area that has this setup, I would suggest you go take a good look
    at it and perhaps look and see how you can better improve the grafting.
    It makes things a lot simpler if someone has done it before by just taking a
    look at how it's being done.

    Blitz3rs,
    Nice and clean looking 510 you have got there, same color scheme as the one I have. Got pictures of the engine bay?.
     
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    Well~ Just keep it ler.... I got two L series engine already.. L16 and L18. The 1 in my datto is L20B.
     
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    Uncle Coldair. U got two 510 rite? R they already convert into SR20? Coz may need ur advice in my conversion project.
     
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    Blitz3rs,
    The Yellow 510 is stock standard while the RED 510 has been converted to a CA18DET. What is it that you want to know?.

     
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    new thread

    coldair, thanks fo starting this thread!

    devious, i have a jap spec 910 rear cradle... disc, caliper, arms, and the viscous r180 lsd. intnded to use on a 510 but nevr came around to using it. the components are seperated. if you are really interested you let me know in advance so that i can go dig up all the components from my store. gimme a call at 012-2962707
     
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    Toolman, where you at?

    Would love to take those stuff out of your hands. Will call you for more details.

    Coldair, the 510 with CA18tebu how is it coupled to the rear diff? Also CA18tebu diff?

    As for my 910, it'll remain 1.8 twin carby for a while, going to uprate the the suspension to about 32% from stock and ride it till I figure what I want to do with it.
     
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    Uncle congrats on this thread...
    Finally 510 has a thread...
    will keep on this thread.....Loads of info here...
     

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