Antiroll Bar, Sway Bar

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  1. deathzone

    deathzone Senior Member
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    Pls share! thanks!

    1. Can i mod Dc2r or EK9 rear antiroll/ sway bar to my 4 doors civic ek4? Any benefit comparing my stock ek4 smaller sway bar?

    2. Which is better to mod for ek4 4doors..... ek9 crossmember set or dc2?
     
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  2. cad843

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    I asked the same question before to my foreman and he mentioned that ek9 ARB not suitable for EK 4 door / EJ Chasis and might "koyak" your chasis but dunno whether true or not. So now Im using ek4 ARB at my EK3 4 door chasis. About DC2 .. Im not so sure
     
  3. deathzone

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    In fact i also read in some forum that ek4 swaybar is more suitable for 4doors sedan compare to type r but need opinion from u guys here before i change anything.
     
  4. g4i8y0t

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    I'm gonna copy & paste some useful info I got from d-series.org:

    The only EK Civics that came with rear sway bars are the Civic Type R and the Civic Si, although all EK Civics have the same (Lower Control Arms) LCAs and thusly all accept a rear sway. The Si sway bar endlinks need to be used in conjunction with any factory and most aftermarket sway bars. To make it easy, even the DC2 Integra sway bars will require the Si endlinks, available at any Honda dealer.

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    When adding a rear sway to a US market Civic, anything over the size of the Si rear sway should have suitable "subframe" reinforcement. The factory Civic Type R which runs a larger-than-Si sway bar has factory bracing to prevent rear suspension damage. The price of a large sway bar's benefit manifests as the sway bar is counteracting the LCA, the sway bar twists. As it twists, the sway bar exerts force upon the subframe and tries to pull itself away from the car. Without any reinforcement for a larger bar, the sway bar will pull itself away from the car on extreme movements and possibly tear away its mounts from the rear subframe. If you are planning on a larger-than-Si rear sway (including the Civic Type R and all DC2 Integra), please consider reinforcement options from Beaks or A-Spec-Racing.

    Compatible factory sway bar sizing:

    Front:
    1992-1995 Civic Si: 21mm
    1992-1995 Civic EX: 21mm
    1994-1997 del Sol DOHC: 24mm
    1996-2000 Civic EX: 22mm
    1996-2000 Civic HX: 22mm
    1999-2000 Civic Si: 26mm
    1997-2000 Civic Type R: 26mm
    1994-2001 Integra LS: 22mm
    1994-2001 Integra GSR: 24mm
    1996-2001 Integra Type R: 24mm

    Rear:
    1992-1995 Civic EX: 13mm
    1994-1997 del Sol DOHC: 15mm
    1999-2000 Civic Si: 13mm
    1997-2000 Civic Type R: 22mm
    1994-1999 Integra LS: 13mm
    2000-2001 Integra LS: 14mm
    1994-2001 Integra GSR: 14mm
    1996-2001 Integra Type R: 23mm (JDM) 22mm (USDM)

    All info is from JDMUniverse.com originally written by user: phunhaus

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    rear subframe damage looks like this:

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    not a pleasant sight.. :help:
     
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  5. shiroitenshi

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    Yeah. The ek9 arb is known to tear out the rear subframe. I'm using a 23mm ARB Although the eg has never suffered torn subframe from bigger arb, I decided to play it safe and use the ASR subframe brace. It didn't exactly fit 100% since out of the six holes, one was off by 2mm, and I had to mod it to fit. There's a model for the ek, but I think the ek4 arb is good enough. Don't think there was much bodyroll when I was driving an ek sedan with ek9 shocks and the ek4 ARB. If you feel there is too much body roll, check the arb bushes. If they're loose, that's the source of your problem.
     
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    ic.. ek4 and civic SiR is the same model right?
     
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    i think the us version of the ek4 is a coupe.
     
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    I have mod the DC2R rear ARB into my EG dolphin. Is this ok? Or long term it will damange the rear chasis (subframe)? Please advice.

    Or is it advisable to install ASR subframe for my EG?
     
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    I'm already using cap ayam ASR can use with the ek9 arb? Or need ori ASR only can tahan?
     
  10. g4i8y0t

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    I think cap ayam brace also can, if it's thick enough. sifus please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    Got cap ayam ASR already? Heh. Malaysia really cepat boleh.
     
  12. mADmAN

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    those selling for around RM350 are replicas lor.... can see the diff HERE...ori costs about 7xx-8xx

    but they should work well enough to reinforce the subframe.. and they look just as hawt..

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    those selling for around RM350 are replicas lor.... can see the diff HERE...ori costs about 7xx-8xx

    but they should work well enough to reinforce the subframe.. and they look just as hawt..
     
  13. deathzone

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    I bought for less the rm400 so should be cap ayam ASR hehehe

    A picture is worth a thousand words
     

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    @deathzone
    how long u using the ASR already?
    and wat lower control arms u using?
     
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    Just install last week togather with the lower arm. The lower arm also cap ayam from jasma hehhe :D
     
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    deathzone, how does your car feel after installing the lower arm & brace? does it feel more rigid? I'm thinking of getting them also..
     
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  18. mADmAN

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    the brace does nothing on handling... its merely to minimize the chances of ur subframe from tearing.....

    i oso just installed the ASR last week in my EG6...along with a set of 2nd hand Blox lower control arms....they definitely look sick....can barely stop looking at them ahahhaha
     
  19. shiroitenshi

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    You guys haven't seem function7's brace yet. That one is even nicer looking. I don't think it is as cheap though. Thanks madman, I was thinking mine was fake, because of that one hole that didn't fit, but from the article, i've confirmed it's original. Bought it from Alaniz, they offered to take it back, but after seeing shipping cost, decided to just mod it.

    The handling will be different depending on what arb you put in. Since ori honda has 23mm the largest, I use that. Also have a 22mm, but I like the 23mm more. For eg subframe brace not really required. No one breaks the subframe of the eg with big arb as far as I know. The only problem is locating a u bracket and bush to fit, or for some, mod the ori bracket to accept the bigger u bracket of the dc2, or find a dc2 arb subframe bracket.
     
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  20. mADmAN

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    actually... function7 arms and brace arent that much more expensive...

    considering ASR brace is around 8xx in malaysia... F7 is around the same price...

    so is F7 arms when compared to ori Skunk2 arms in malaysia..

    only thing is... it gets expensive when shipping to malaysia is involved...

    best part about F7 is that their bushings are made by Energy Suspension according to their specs... and they have a lifetime warranty on their arms and brace.. even the bushings are included in the warranty...but whether or not the warranty extends all the way to malaysia is a diff story.
     

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