Proton CFE Manual Swap

[g4i8y0t]

I say, just sumbat masuk the manual and rewire the cvt wiring to indicate "N" gear jer, see how that goes. I think shud be the same jer with any autobox, weve done dis in few cars. The ecu and tcu are usually independant of each other fyi

If it is that simple with CFE engines, we would see a few manual CFE cars on the road already.

 

[xtremeleo]

sounds plausible but need to know for sure before i go down this road. those cars that you have done before are they CAN systems? or analog? why i feel it will still be a problem is because these modern ecus are more intelligent, if there is a speed reading but the can systems see the tcu reading in 'N' not sure what will happen. may cause a host of erros to show up.. car may run but not very well in this case. one way to know for sure probably is to get a CAN sniffer and we can see in the stock system what communicates with what. if we can isolate what signals the tcu sends out (if any) and recieves then i will be more confident to go down this route.

syg bro to start and if cant finish will be such a waste.

I just remember, i worked on a suprima few weeks back, and in neutral it just revv to 3000rpm, like a launch control, so i dont its doable ler. The ones i worked with was with the " normal" autobox jer, just swap gb and rewire it, done

 

[scoupe]

Owh yeah i forgot that it does that on N it doesnt allow you to free rev to the limit. So you are right its not gonna work. Conventional analog systems it probably will

 

[xtremeleo]

Owh yeah i forgot that it does that on N it doesnt allow you to free rev to the limit. So you are right its not gonna work. Conventional analog systems it probably will

Luckily i remember that odd behaviour, lol. Getting a manual ecu shud be the best bet imo

 

[scoupe]

Manual ecu unfortunately dont exist for the cfe... unless i pay a ton to downgrade to the iafm campro manual. Complete wiring should fit but this route would be expensive and deffinately not worth it.. honestly i am more interested in exploring the option of a standalone integrated with the exisiting CAN system. Will need to learn up on CAN systems and how to identifiy their id

 

[ixeo]

Honestly, not worth the effort. If you want something with power and a stick, get a SSS.
You want a sedan with a stick and power, honestly, nothing modern. Subaru Impreza STi. But you wanna worry about maintenance cost, then again, get the SSS.

I'd recommend a BMW E36 or E46 with a 2.5L engine at least. 0-100km good for 7.6s
But more importantly that in-line six engine... they don't make engines like that anymore for normal BMWs.. now cars like the BMW 118i & 318i comes with an engine with 1 cylinder less than a Suprima, and less displacement.

Modifying your car is gonna be more pain than it's worth.

 

[g4i8y0t]

Honestly, not worth the effort. If you want something with power and a stick, get a SSS.
You want a sedan with a stick and power, honestly, nothing modern. Subaru Impreza STi. But you wanna worry about maintenance cost, then again, get the SSS.

I'd recommend a BMW E36 or E46 with a 2.5L engine at least. 0-100km good for 7.6s
But more importantly that in-line six engine... they don't make engines like that anymore for normal BMWs.. now cars like the BMW 118i & 318i comes with an engine with 1 cylinder less than a Suprima, and less displacement.

Modifying your car is gonna be more pain than it's worth.

Modding is way more fun than buying a built up car. Suprima has better handling than E36 with 2.5 inline 6. I know because I have driven my bro in law's 2.5l E36 with Bilstein B8. But the inline 6 is so smooth and sounds so nice. E46, I'm not sure because I have never driven one.

 

[xtremeleo]

Modding is way more fun than buying a built up car. Suprima has better handling than E36 with 2.5 inline 6. I know because I have driven my bro in law's 2.5l E36 with Bilstein B8. But the inline 6 is so smooth and sounds so nice. E46, I'm not sure because I have never driven one.

Id rather get a cheap car and mod it up, its more fun dat way

 

[parakey]

Suprima has better handling than E36

What's wrong with his e36?

 

[scoupe]

Honestly, not worth the effort. If you want something with power and a stick, get a SSS.
You want a sedan with a stick and power, honestly, nothing modern. Subaru Impreza STi. But you wanna worry about maintenance cost, then again, get the SSS.

I'd recommend a BMW E36 or E46 with a 2.5L engine at least. 0-100km good for 7.6s
But more importantly that in-line six engine... they don't make engines like that anymore for normal BMWs.. now cars like the BMW 118i & 318i comes with an engine with 1 cylinder less than a Suprima, and less displacement.

Modifying your car is gonna be more pain than it's worth.

over the weekend this more research in reverse engineering the CAN systems. its programming that i do find it hard to grasp. you are definitely right going down this road will be more pain then worth it. as it is, i cant stand when the car doesnt run right, ocd to the max.. going down this road will bug me so badly when i do reach a problem.

 

[scoupe]

Id rather get a cheap car and mod it up, its more fun dat way

i have always wanted a ke70.. but prices are still steap for my budget. i have another idea but its a fwd. you might like this idea, not sure how feasible it will be but i think it will be a real fun car. hehehe

 

[scoupe]

thank you guys for your input, i think i may end up scrapping the idea of a manual box in the suprima. Unless i am crazy enough to dump probably 30k into it to rewire the whole car this is not gonna work.

 

[ixeo]

Modding is way more fun than buying a built up car. Suprima has better handling than E36 with 2.5 inline 6. I know because I have driven my bro in law's 2.5l E36 with Bilstein B8. But the inline 6 is so smooth and sounds so nice. E46, I'm not sure because I have never driven one.

Ask Izso, see if it’s fun. And I can tell you although he’s cleaning other people’s shit, modding up the car yourself also you’re bound to run into issues as well.

I mod up my own boat and throughout the journey little gremlins pop up here and there and being a perfectionist I couldn’t stand it.

Sure, it runs, but you know it’s not perfect.

 

[ixeo]

Modding is way more fun than buying a built up car. Suprima has better handling than E36 with 2.5 inline 6. I know because I have driven my bro in law's 2.5l E36 with Bilstein B8. But the inline 6 is so smooth and sounds so nice. E46, I'm not sure because I have never driven one.

Don’t doubt the Supima being better handling, after all it’s almost 20 years newer and built with input from Lotus.

But that in-line engine is simply brilliant. As we move towards the future of EV, I think having an in-line 6 is an experience reserved for the rich in the future. So why not get it from a classic.

 

[parakey]

Don’t doubt the Supima being better handling, after all it’s almost 20 years newer and built with input from Lotus..

Has there been great advances in suspension geometry in the intervening years? Specifically the difference between these 2 cars. If design age of the suspension is going to be a factor, has BMW changed the suspension design that much between the e36 vs F30?

Admittedly, it's not really fair to compare a newish car and one that is 20+ years old who's undercarriage might not been that well taken care of.