Battlefield: Sabah

[arturo]

Some summary of the whole Sabah claim and official UN documents that show Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore was officially declared to be part of the Federation of Malaysia.


EXCHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE

The proposal for the formation of Malaysia was first made by the Prime Minister of the Federation of Malaya in May 1961, and a Malaysia Solidarity Consultative Committee
was established at a regional meeting of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association in
July of the same year. Following a report by a Commission of Enquiry (the Cobbold Commission), which had conducted meetings in Sarawak and North Borneo from February to
April 1962, the Governments of the United Kingdom and the Federation of Malaya issued
a joint statement, on 1 August 1962, that in principle the Federation of Malaysia should
be established by 31 August 1963. A formal agreement was prepared and signed in London
on 9 July 1963 on behalf of the Governments concerned (the Federation of Malaya, North
Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore). On 5 August 1963, following a six-day meeting
in Manila of the Heads of Government of the Federation of Malaya, Indonesia and the
Philippines, the Foreign Ministers of these three States cabled the Secretary-General of the
United Nations, requesting him to send working teams to Sabah (North Borneo) and Sarawak
in order to ascertain the wishes of these peoples with respect to the proposed Federation.
The three Governments would similarly send observers to the two territories to witness
the investigations of the working teams and the Federation of Malaya would do its best to ensure the co-operation of the British Government and of the Governments of Sabah and
Sarawak.

This was the proposal drafted and sent to UN to assimilate Sabah and Sarawak into a single federation called The Federation of Malaysia and how to gauge responses from the occupants of those separate states that says they agree to join the Federation of Malaysia. This also details that Indonesia and Philippines (who then also state that Sabah and Sarawak belongs to them) should be part of the team of observers being there when the mission to gauge if these 2 seperate states(Sabah Sarawak) do indeed want to join Malaysia. It also states the terms and condition of how to gauge the 2 states occupant's intent.

REPORT OF
UNITED NATIONS MISSION

The Mission left New York on 13 August 1963 and arrived in Kuching, Sarawak, at noon on 16
August. The Mission was divided into two teams, each comprising four officers, one to remain in Sarawak and the other to work in Sabah (North Borneo).

Observers from the Federation of Malaya and the United Kingdom were present throughout all of the hearings conducted by the Mission. Observers from the Republic of Indonesia and from the Philippines arrived only on 1 September and attended hearings in the two territories on 2, 3 and 4 September.

Here it clearly states that during the mission, reps from all 3 claimant countries, Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines were present during the mission

The Mission had considered that it would be meaningful to make a "fresh approach"
by arranging consultations with the population through elected representatives, leaders
and the representatives of political parties as well as non-political groups, and with any
other persons showing interest in setting forth their views. During the Mission's visits to various parts of the two territories, it had been possible to consult with almost all of the "grass roots" elected representatives. Consultations were also held with national and local representatives of each of the major political groups and with national and local representatives of ethnic, religious, social and other groups, as well as organizations of businessmen, employers and workers in various communities and social groups.

After considering the constitutional, electoral and legislative arrangements in Sarawak and Sabah (North Borneo), the Mission came to the conclusion that the territories had "attained an advanced stage of self-government with free political institutions so that its people would have the capacity to make a responsible choice through informed democratic processes."

Here is shows their survey included everybody of value and can be considered decision makers of the occupants of these 2 states.

The Mission was further of the opinion that the participation of the two territories in the proposed Federation, having been approved by their legislative bodies, as well as by a large majority of the people through free and impartially conducted elections in which the question of Malaysia was a major issue and fully appreciated as such by the electorate, could be regarded as the "result of the freely expressed wishes of the territory's peoples acting with full knowledge of the change in their status, their wishes having been expressed through informed and democratic processes, impartially conducted and based on universal adult suffrage."

...and here it shows that the people if Sabah and Sarawak themselves choose to be part of Malaysia.

CONCLUSIONS OF SECRETARY-GENERAL

The Secretary-General referred to the fundamental agreement of the three participating Governments and the statement by the Republic of Indonesia and the Republic of the Philippines that they would welcome the formation of the Federation of Malaysia provided that the support of the people of the territories was ascertained by him, and that, in his opinion, complete compliance with the principle of selfdetermination within the requirements of General Assembly resolution 1541(XV)

Here the Sec Gen of UN officially announces that Indonesia and Philippines agree and have no objection to the formation of the Federation of Malaysia with 2 new states, Sabah and Sarawak, chosen via free will by occupants of Sabah and Sarawak

He had reached the conclusion, based on the findings of the Mission that on both of those counts there was no doubt about the wishes of a sizeable majority of the people of those territories to join in the Federation of Malaysia.

The Federation of Malaysia was proclaimed on 16 September 1963.

...and it's official! Malaysia was born! (the first count being that the people who chose to join was not stupid and can think for themselves)

Then in the next meeting, only they say they don't approve

On 17 September, at the opening meeting of the General Assembly's eighteenth session, the representative of Indonesia took exception to the fact that the seat of the Federation of Malaya in the Assembly Hall was being occupied by the representative of the
Federation of Malaysia. Indonesia had withheld recognition of the Federation of Malaysia for very serious reasons and reserved the right to clarify its position on the question of Malaysia at a later stage Recognition of Malaysia was also withheld by the Republic of the Philippines. During the general debate at the eighteenth session, both Indonesia and the Philippines expressed their reservations about the findings of the United Nations Malaysia Mission. The representatives of the United Kingdom and of the Federation of Malaysia replied to the Indonesian and Philippine charges and upheld the findings of the United Nations Malaysian Mission. On 12 December, during the meeting of the Credentials Committee, the USSR supported the Indonesian position with regard to the seating of the representatives of Malaysia in the General Assembly. A proposal by the Chairman of the Credentials Committee that the Committee find the credentials of all representatives in order was nonetheless approved.

...but the claim was turned down as UN says it is a non-issue.

u can read the official declaration UN's declaration at http://unyearbook.un.org/1963YUN/1963_P1_SEC1_CH3.pdf , page11

then u have the treaty signed between UK n Malaysia saying that UK gives up control of Sabah and Sarawak to Malaysia

And below....u can see that the Ph government have also been advised against continuing claiming that Sabah is theirs as they know that based on the original UN declaration back in 1963, our asses are covered pretty well...

lose = malu, win = lose

(2) If the Philippines lose its case, the damage to the honor and prestige of our Republic would be incalculable. We would appear as having attempted to colonize a portion of North Borneo without any lawful or just cause, forgetting our colonialism and our loud demands for accelerating the grant of self-government or independence to subject peoples especially those in Asia.
(3) Even if the Philippines win its case, we stand to gain nothing because under the United Nations charter, the Bandung Conference declaration and the 1960 decolonization resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, we have to give up our rule and administration to the portion of North Borneo we are claiming, grant its people self-government or independence and respect their will and wishes as to whether they will join the Federation of Malaysia or the Greater Malayan Confederation or exist as a separate independent state. In this connection, it is worthy of note that judging from press reports of Filipino newspapermen who had gone to North Borneo, the popular reaction there to our claim of sovereignty is one of surprise and resentment rather than sympathy and support.

original article can be found below. i skipped the whole article and went straight to the summary...toooooooo long woi.

Does Sabah really belong to the Philippines? | Inquirer Global Nation

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Some summary of the whole Sabah claim and official UN documents that show Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore was officially declared to be part of the Federation of Malaysia.


EXCHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE

This was the proposal drafted and sent to UN to assimilate Sabah and Sarawak into a single federation called The Federation of Malaysia and how to gauge responses from the occupants of those separate states that says they agree to join the Federation of Malaysia. This also details that Indonesia and Philippines (who then also state that Sabah and Sarawak belongs to them) should be part of the team of observers being there when the mission to gauge if these 2 seperate states(Sabah Sarawak) do indeed want to join Malaysia. It also states the terms and condition of how to gauge the 2 states occupant's intent.

REPORT OF
UNITED NATIONS MISSION

Here it clearly states that during the mission, reps from all 3 claimant countries, Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines were present during the mission

Here is shows their survey included everybody of value and can be considered decision makers of the occupants of these 2 states.

...and here it shows that the people if Sabah and Sarawak themselves choose to be part of Malaysia.

CONCLUSIONS OF SECRETARY-GENERAL

Here the Sec Gen of UN officially announces that Indonesia and Philippines agree and have no objection to the formation of the Federation of Malaysia with 2 new states, Sabah and Sarawak, chosen via free will by occupants of Sabah and Sarawak

...and it's official! Malaysia was born! (the first count being that the people who chose to join was not stupid and can think for themselves)

Then in the next meeting, only they say they don't approve

...but the claim was turned down as UN says it is a non-issue.

u can read the official declaration UN's declaration at http://unyearbook.un.org/1963YUN/1963_P1_SEC1_CH3.pdf , page11

then u have the treaty signed between UK n Malaysia saying that UK gives up control of Sabah and Sarawak to Malaysia

And below....u can see that the Ph government have also been advised against continuing claiming that Sabah is theirs as they know that based on the original UN declaration back in 1963, our asses are covered pretty well...

lose = malu, win = lose

original article can be found below. i skipped the whole article and went straight to the summary...toooooooo long woi.

Does Sabah really belong to the Philippines? | Inquirer Global Nation

Thesis for Sabah Attack...Passed with flying colours
Nobody can tolong except themselves.

 

[papagoines]

Dunno if Wikipedia is a good unbiased source or not... but pretty explanatory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lahad_Datu_standoff

but, I really attracted to this statement... still dunno if true or not... but judging by my facebook wall traffic, i guess it is true
"The exploitation perpetuated by both sides of the table (both Barisan & Pakatan) was met with an outcry by the Malaysian public."

...please don't shoot me

 

[alantjw]

Dear all,

this is a case of terrorism which is out of the control of Filipino government. As per my Pinoy GF told me long time ago that the rebels are in the south part of the country which their government is having a hard time to control them. Just for info. dont flame me.

Serangan tidak jejas hubungan KL-Manila – BorneoPost Online | Borneo , Malaysia, Sarawak Daily News | Largest English Daily In Borneo

Jangan ada sentimen bermusuhan – BorneoPost Online | Borneo , Malaysia, Sarawak Daily News | Largest English Daily In Borneo

 

[cvkit17]

wikipedia can be edited by many parties...and cyber war is on going. Thus internet info cannot be fully trusted now, unless real statements / documents / history are shown.

 

[ixeo]

Honestly, I don't believe in coincidences. The timing seems to be perfect to divert attention away from erections. Let's see how this pans out.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Honestly, I don't believe in coincidences. The timing seems to be perfect to divert attention away from erections. Let's see how this pans out.

Bro Ixeo u meant elections and not erections right?

1st someone commented MILF

 

[reintel]

Reporting from Kota Kinabalu today.

Business as usual but less crowd in the town area. Rice and cooking oil are fast depleting in major supermarket. All due to panic purchase. Every family is on high alert and sensitive to loud sound. No traffic roadblocks is reported. Police station on high alert. Rumour and fake news is just way too much to filter and confirm its authenticity.

Philipino in the market also seems to be less. Perhaps has run away due to previous experience?

 

[pwhyze]

Bro Ixeo u meant elections and not erections right?

1st someone commented MILF

Haha..MILF is what they were known as la....what to do..

 

[reintel]

Haha..MILF is what they were known as la....what to do..

They do have quite a lot of MILF if anyone interested..

 

[fazidk]

They do have quite a lot of MILF if anyone interested..

Hmmmmmmm change topic pulak hehehe

 

[arturo]

from my understanding...their MILF really MILF. literally.

more n more terpesong....

 

[g4i8y0t]

As the Chinese say... Government catch worm put inside own backside... great. Give them IC and then come invade us. Yippie!

Most Malaysians are ignorant, look at the replies in this thread alone you can see it.

Can you pinpoint which reply is that? :hmmmm:

 

[papagoines]

In today's paper (forgot its name edy since I read many papers today), they say they still sell mangoes (illegally imported from phillipines) and contraband ciggarettes in markets around Lahad Datu....

Waa... still can smuggle in after all the tightening, mopping and sweeping? :hmmmm:

Reporting from Kota Kinabalu today.

Business as usual but less crowd in the town area. Rice and cooking oil are fast depleting in major supermarket. All due to panic purchase. Every family is on high alert and sensitive to loud sound. No traffic roadblocks is reported. Police station on high alert. Rumour and fake news is just way too much to filter and confirm its authenticity.

Philipino in the market also seems to be less. Perhaps has run away due to previous experience?

 

[arturo]

I wonder....wat happened to the other 150 insurgents...is it possible they're at bukit aman now?

I still find it very very weird that 200 ppl would dare "invade" somebody else's country when they have nothing to back them up. weird weird weird.