Water Injection & Water-Methanol Injection

ixeo

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AEM methanol injection kit also made in taiwan....
what do you mean by the "kit" is made in Taiwan? Means they gather the parts, pack and wrap it and put it in a box, and the packaging and materials to pack is made in Taiwan?

I know for a fact the Shurflo pump used in the AEM meth kit is made in the USA..
 

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what do you mean by the "kit" is made in Taiwan? Means they gather the parts, pack and wrap it and put it in a box, and the packaging and materials to pack is made in Taiwan?

I know for a fact the Shurflo pump used in the AEM meth kit is made in the USA..
Tell me where does Scat/Manley/K1 H-Beam connecting rod made from... Those are famous brand in US.

BTW, what's wrong made in Taiwan..?
 

ixeo

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Tell me where does Scat/Manley/K1 H-Beam connecting rod made from... Those are famous brand in US.

BTW, what's wrong made in Taiwan..?
Dear sir, you said AEM Meth Kit is made in Taiwan, I am asking you about AEM Meth Kit, not H-Beam con rods, or anything else. This topic is specifically about Water & Meth Injection, so I am asking you that only.

So, you haven't answered the question, why you say AEM Meth Kit is made in Taiwan, can you be specific?

Nothing wrong with Taiwan. Just that you state its made in Taiwan, which is not entirely true, thus I want to know.
 
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Dear sir, you said AEM Meth Kit is made in Taiwan, I am asking you about AEM Meth Kit, not H-Beam con rods, or anything else. This topic is specifically about Water & Meth Injection, so I am asking you that only.

So, you haven't answered the question, why you say AEM Meth Kit is made in Taiwan, can you be specific?

Nothing wrong with Taiwan. Just that you state its made in Taiwan, which is not entirely true, thus I want to know.
If u ask if every single parts from Taiwan... I'll say no... But most parts are...

Nozzles, hoses, tank, seals... Not sure about pumps or any parts in the pump...
 

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If u ask if every single parts from Taiwan... I'll say no... But most parts are...

Nozzles, hoses, tank, seals... Not sure about pumps or any parts in the pump...
Wow. How do you know the tank is made in Taiwan? And the nozzle? Please share. The AEM nozzle has an integrated check valve and filter, seems like a custom design.

I am very curious how you know its Taiwan. Or you're just ASSuming.
 

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U go find out urself. I don't need to clarify myself. Believe it or not, non of my business.... Btw, if u think the internal check valve is unique, chins can do much more advance valves than this... Keep reading and go explore urself... Get a life...

Nuff said...... Chiowwwww
 
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wah some AEM parts make in Taiwan hard to believe as they market at premium price... what about Snow Performance... taiwan too?
 

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U go find out urself. I don't need to clarify myself. Believe it or not, non of my business.... Btw, if u think the internal check valve is unique, chins can do much more advance valves than this... Keep reading and go explore urself... Get a life...

Nuff said...... Chiowwwww
well, i don't need to find out, cause its bullshit. the AEM "kit" is not made in Taiwan. Don't pretend like a pro and give people wrong information, go get a real life instead of being a talking tuner who don't know shit.

check valves are common, AEM's check valve isn't. cause AEM DOESN'T HAVE A CHECK VALVE. AEM has an injector nozzle with integrated check valve.
 
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AEM's latest versions only come with check valves :) , is ur pump white sticker or black sticker
i been running on AEM for 5 years already , the newer black sticker version is err err err , the kit has also become cheaper err err
 

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Sometimes the easiest explanations are overlooked.

Water injection (engines)
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In internal combustion engines, water injection, also known as anti-detonant injection, is spraying water into the cylinder or incoming fuel-air mixture to cool the combustion chambers of the engine, allowing for greater compression ratios and largely eliminating the problem of engine knocking (detonation). This effectively increases the octane rating of the fuel, meaning that performance gains can be obtained when used in conjunction with a supercharger, turbocharger, altered spark ignition timing, and other modifications. Increasing the octane rating allows for a higher compression ratio which increases the power output and efficiency of the engine. Depending on the engine, improvements in power and fuel efficiency can also be obtained solely by injecting water.[1] Water injection may also be used to reduce NOx or carbon monoxide emissions.[1]

Water injection is also used in some jet turbine engines and in some shaft turbine engines, when a momentary high-thrust setting is needed to increase power and fuel efficiency.





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[hide] 1 Composition of fluid
2 Effects
3 Use in aircraft
4 Use in automobiles
5 See also
6 References
7 External links


[edit] Composition of fluid

Many water injection systems use a mixture of water and alcohol (approximately 50/50), with trace amounts of water-soluble oil. The water provides the primary cooling effect due to its great density and high heat absorption properties. The alcohol is combustible, and also serves as an antifreeze for the water. The purpose of the oil is to prevent corrosion of water injection and fuel system components. [2] Because the alcohol mixed into the injection solution is often methanol (CH3OH), the system is known as methanol-water injection, or MW50. In the United States, the system is commonly referred to as anti-detonant injection, or ADI.

[edit] Effects

In a piston engine, the initial injection of water cools the fuel-air mixture significantly, which increases its density and hence the amount of mixture that enters the cylinder. The water (if in small liquid droplets) may absorb heat (and lower the pressure) as the charge is compressed, thus reducing compression work.[1] An additional effect comes later during combustion when the water absorbs large amounts of heat as it vaporizes, reducing peak temperature and resultant NOx formation, and reducing the amount of heat energy absorbed into the cylinder walls. This also converts part of combustion energy from the form of heat to the form of pressure. As the water droplets vaporize by absorbing heat, it turns to high pressure steam (water vapor or steam mainly resulted from combustion chemical reaction). The alcohol in the mixture burns, but is also much more resistant to detonation than gasoline. The net result is a higher octane charge that will support very high compression ratios or significant forced induction pressures before onset of detonation.

Fuel economy can be improved with water injection. Depending on the engine, the effect of water injection, with no other modification, like leaning out the mixture, may be quite significant[1] or rather limited and in some cases negligible.

In some cases water may also reduce CO emissions, this might be attributable to the water-gas shift reaction, in which CO and H2O shift to form CO2 and H2.[1] However, water may also increase hydrocarbon emissions, possibly due to an increased quenching layer thickness.

Some degree of control over the water injection is important. It needs to be injected only when the engine is heavily loaded and the throttle is wide open. Otherwise injecting water cools the combustion process unnecessarily and reduces efficiency.

Direct injection of water is possible and is likely advantageous. In a piston engine, this can be done late in the power stroke or during the exhaust stroke.

[edit] Use in aircraft

Water injection has been used in both reciprocating and turbine aircraft engines. When used in a turbine engine, the effects are similar, except that preventing detonation is not the primary goal. Water is normally injected either at the compressor inlet or in the diffuser just before the combustion chambers. Adding water increases the mass being accelerated out of the engine, increasing thrust, but it also serves to cool the turbines. Since temperature is normally the limiting factor in turbine engine performance at low altitudes, the cooling effect allows the engines to be run at a higher RPM with more fuel injected and more thrust created without overheating.[3] The drawback of the system is that injecting water quenches the flame in the combustion chambers somewhat, as there is no way to cool the engine parts without cooling the flame accidentally. This leads to unburned fuel out the exhaust and a characteristic trail of black smoke.

Piston engined petrol military aircraft utilized water injection technology prior to World War II in order to increase takeoff power. This was used so that heavily-laden fighters could take off from shorter runways, climb faster, and quickly reach high altitudes to intercept enemy bomber formations. Some fighter aircraft also used water injection to allow higher boost in short bursts during dogfights.

As a general rule, the fuel mixture is set at full rich on an aircraft engine when running it at a high power settings (such as during takeoff). The extra fuel does not burn; its only purpose is to evaporate to absorb heat. This uses up more fuel, and it also decreases the efficiency of the combustion process. By using water injection, the cooling effect of the water allows the fuel mixture to be run leaner at its best-power setting. Many military aircraft engines of the 1940s utilized a pressure carburetor, a type of fuel metering system similar to a throttle body injection system. In a water-injected engine, the pressure carburetor features a mechanical derichment valve which makes the system nearly automatic. When the pilot turns on the water injection pump, water pressure moves the derichment valve to restrict fuel flow to lean the mixture while at the same time mixing the water/methanol fluid in to the system. When the system runs out of fluid the derichment valve shuts and cuts off the water injection system, while enriching the fuel mixture to provide a cooling quench to prevent sudden detonation.

Due to the cooling effect of the water, aircraft engines can run at much higher manifold pressures without detonating, creating more power. This is the primary advantage of a water injection system when used on an aircraft engine.

The extra weight and complexity added by a water injection system was considered worthwhile for military purposes, while it is usually not considered worthwhile for civil use. The one exception is racing aircraft, which are focused on making a tremendous amount of power for a short time; in this case the disadvantages of a water injection system are less important.

The use of water injection in turbine engines has been limited, again, mostly to military aircraft. Many pictures are available of Boeing B-52 takeoffs which clearly show the black smoke emitted by turbine engines running with water injection. For early B-52s, water injection was seen as a vital part of take-off procedures. For later versions of the B-52 as well as later turbine-powered bombers, the problem of taking off heavily loaded from short runways was solved by the availability of more powerful engines that had not been available previously.

The BAC One-Eleven airliner also used water injection for its Rolls-Royce Spey turbofan engines. Filling the tanks with jet fuel instead of water lead to the Paninternational Flight 112 crash.[4]

[edit] Use in automobiles

A limited number of road vehicles with large-displacement engines from manufacturers such as Chrysler have included water injection. The 1962 Oldsmobile F85 was delivered with the Fluid-Injection Jetfire[5] engine, which was incidentally the world's first turbocharged road car. Oldsmobile referred to the water/alcohol mixture as 'Turbo-Rocket Fluid'. Saab offered water injection for the Saab 99 Turbo. With the introduction of the intercooler the interest in water injection disappeared, but today, water injection is also of interest because it can potentially decrease nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions in exhaust. The most common use of water injection today is in vehicles with aftermarket forced induction systems, such as turbochargers or superchargers. Such engines are commonly tuned with a narrower margin of safety from detonation and hence benefit greatly from the cooling effects of vaporized water.[citation needed] ([/hide]
 

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this is a forum to discuss mate, not for plagiarizing. Everyone knows about wikipedia. u dont have to repost it here.. what are u? a student?
 

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Its ironice that you know words like plagiarizing, but dont seem to grasp its use.
it clearly stated at the top... From Wikipedia.
i think it is you, who needs to go back to english class.
 

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pla·gia·rism
   [pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-] Show IPA

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an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author.

Now, if you knew what the word meant, you would know its only plagiarism if you quote a source and not tell people where its from. is that in simple enough english for you? maybe not, so, i did state it was from wikipedia, so its not considered plagiarism. thila, i think you have failed in this instance to prove you indeed have understood the usage of the word.
no disrespect intended, think of me as a lecturer and you the student. hope i have educated you a little today.
 

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errr...jokes and flaming aside...i have a question...how significant are these water and meth kit if installed to a stock NA engine...
 

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